Deconstructing pick up: Women want good looking men with wealth and status.

[Majed]

Let's be real, why go through the hell of approaching thousands of women, when most guys strategies to find partners is to take care of their finances, careers and looks, and they successfully end up finding partners. You got to drop the pick up brain washing and paradigm, and think more like a normie. To get girls, you must be fit and financially successful. No girl wants a fat guy that lives in his parents basement. Like seriously once you're in shape and successful, girls will come to you naturally. So yeah the lesson here is to think more like a normie and not forget the basics. 

[Ulax]

I forgot that women just magically appear in your bedroom once you're successful and in shape  

[AION]

26 minutes ago, Ulax said:

I forgot that women just magically appear in your bedroom once you're successful and in shape  

If you pay for it. 😭 so Majed is right. The thing is if you are successful some girls will be interested in this orc but that are not the type of girls you want to trust and get in a relationship with. 

[Ulax]

1 minute ago, AION said:

If you pay for it. 😭 

LOL

1 minute ago, AION said:

The thing is if you are successful some girls will be interested in this orc but that are not the type of girls you want to trust and get in a relationship with. 

I get where you're coming from. But most of game is just implying that you are a high-value guy. A girl seeing you have money is just an honest signal that you are a high-value guy. So its really the same thing that she is being attracted to.

[LordFall]

It's true but social skills still help. There are also concepts like authentic vs negotiated desire that are hard to grasp if you've never done pickup. If you're young like 18-24 still probably worth to learn some game and fuck since women are less money focused at that age.

Online dating is also sleeper OP. You can get decent pictures and go on 1-2 dates a week from it easy, way less hassle than cold approach. Most of my bodycount is from online dating. People think you have to be super good looking to get decent matches, it helps for sure but it's mostly quality of your pictures and how fit you are. 

Having your money right will take care of 60% of your dating issues. The rest is emotional intelligence and communication skills which is what pickup forces you to practice. 

[StaraX]

@Ulax Not really related to the thread, but is it harder to do pick up with ADHD? What's your take on that?

[AION]

7 hours ago, Ulax said:

LOL

I get where you're coming from. But most of game is just implying that you are a high-value guy. A girl seeing you have money is just an honest signal that you are a high-value guy. So its really the same thing that she is being attracted to.

Provider frame still works but it is not the best. It is for people without game. 

[enchanted]

Yes, to attract a high quality partner a man has to also be high quality. It's called being the "whole package" - money, style, social skills, looks, personality, etc. 

Pick up trains some of those skills.

Done in the wrong way, pick up can be unhealthy, toxic, harmful, and debased.

Edited 12 hours ago by enchanted

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Wealth and status, and the questions surrounding them - can be a proxy for 'Does he have his shit together enough to look after himself, and potentially us + 1 in the event of children?" The question and status, can act as a proxy to broadcast responsibility and maturity. But looked at as a singular metric in total isolation is defective reasoning to come to that conclusion. 

The whole person needs to be considered.

[aurum]

You really want some of both.

Game is great for initial attraction. But if you want to genuinely build a life together long-term, you need that financial infrastructure. Game cannot do that. Game is sparkles and fairy dust.

[Zenterus]

You're right and wrong at the same time.

In my 10 years of pickup experience, I've learned that women assess you HOLISTICALLY as a man with your high value BEHAVIOURS being the biggest attraction draw initially. Your lifestyle is actually secondary initially -- although it does play more of a role when you're together long-term.

Now, it is actually easier to convey yourself in a high value way when you're indeed a high value guy who truly lives the part -- lifestyle, success, preselection -- but it isnt always the case that they come hand in hand.

You can be broke and have the right mindsets and the right look and vibe and have an amazing abundance with women as a consequence.

On the flip side, you can be rich and successful and be such a loser behaviourally -- such as not setting boundaries, not leading, being a pushover, ungrounded, etc -- and get used by women left and right because they dont respect you but you are useful because of your success.

This is how you end up like Will Smith, or Jeff Bezos, or a very good looking guy who I knew back in my Uni days whose girlfriend would blatantly flirt with me in front of him.

Of course, develop yourself, your fashion, your look, your money, your lifestyle, etc. All of those matter. But if your personality is weak, you will only get used.

[Ulax]

3 hours ago, AION said:

Provider frame still works but it is not the best. It is for people without game. 

Her knowing you have money isn't provider frame. 

[Schizophonia]

The more I try to understand women, the closer I get to an aneurysm; it's simply easier to abandon the realm of understanding and just move forward by following one's desires.

[Ulax]

5 hours ago, StaraX said:

@Ulax Not really related to the thread, but is it harder to do pick up with ADHD? What's your take on that?

Yes its probably harder because people with adhd are generally more emotionally ungrounded. When I took ADHD meds I started getting baddies bambi eyeing me. So, addressing the symptoms made an obvious difference.

That said, I struggle with game a lot so I'm not the best source of advice.

[enchanted]

4 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Wealth and status, and the questions surrounding them - can be a proxy for 'Does he have his shit together enough to look after himself, and potentially us + 1 in the event of children?" The question and status, can act as a proxy to broadcast responsibility and maturity. But looked at as a singular metric in total isolation is defective reasoning to come to that conclusion. 

The whole person needs to be considered.

 

[Leo Gura]

17 hours ago, Majed said:

To get girls, you must be fit and financially successful.

I had that and it got me no girls.

You can't get girls if you don't learn to socialize. Pickup is just the skill of socializing.

Many guys get rich only to realize they still can't get girls because they sacrificed social skills for success.

Girls don't sleep with the rich guy, they sleep with the fun social guy.

Good looks are great, but if you don't have them you still need a way of getting girls.

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[ROOBIO]

It seems like this is if you actually want to have a relationship with someone, but not with sleeping with a girl. 

You can be extremely charismatic, fun, present, in the moment, and be an absolute bum. Have no prospects, have no money in the bank. 

But then, as time goes on, if the girl realises that you don't have anything sustainable, you don't have future plans, you don't have ambitions, you don't have goals. Then she'll probably leave you if you don't align with what she wants. 

I think game, charisma, are important for attraction but not for developing a relationship with the woman. I think these two are obviously separate things. Probably wealth and status help more with having a relationship with a woman, but not for actually attracting them. If you do attract them using these methods, then they're not actually attracted to you, so it might prove quite badly when the relationship develops. However, if your game relies on you being a deceitful person, then as the relationship develop that also might cause problems. 

I also think pre-selection is a pretty cool here. If you are seen with other girls, especially attractive women, then it's easier for you to get another girl, and you don't need status to get that. 

It's crazy to see how much you can portray wealth and status through your behavior and the way you act in front of a woman and not actually have those things.

[Spiral]

Men only want one thing: a hot witch girlfriend 

[AION]

Provider game will only work if the girl is poor with no prospect for a good job and you have to be ok-ish looking. 

In SD orange society and up you need inner game. If you do then your lack of money and looks doesn’t matter.

Obviously signaling wealth or your body or anything material can come across as self qualifying and that is repulsive. 

Money and looks game (provider game) will work in less developed countries or with girls with a lower social status. 

So attraction is almost all inner game. And it is momentary. For example I’m tall-ish and I do get some attention in nightclubs but when I open my mouth and I start saying stupid stuff(fawning, insecure things, self qualifying stuff), it is over because I will feel the sexual tension disappearing.  So being good looking, tall and having money, only gets you initial attention. The moment you open your mouth and say stupid stuff like in this thread it is over. So big part of it is personality. 

Edited 2 hours ago by AION

[Breakingthewall]

Sure, if you're physically attractive and successful, your appeal multiplies, but if you're unable to connect on a deep level, to show yourself naturally, to eliminate the need for acceptance, to stop seeing only the surface and start seeing the substance of interactions,  you'll end up in a miserable relationship, no matter how much money and beauty you have. And this use to mean a deep miserable life. This game is not a game, it's real life.