Deconstructing pick up: Women want good looking men with wealth and status.

[Majed]

Let's be real, why go through the hell of approaching thousands of women, when most guys strategies to find partners is to take care of their finances, careers and looks, and they successfully end up finding partners. You got to drop the pick up brain washing and paradigm, and think more like a normie. To get girls, you must be fit and financially successful. No girl wants a fat guy that lives in his parents basement. Like seriously once you're in shape and successful, girls will come to you naturally. So yeah the lesson here is to think more like a normie and not forget the basics. 

[Ulax]

I forgot that women just magically appear in your bedroom once you're successful and in shape  

[AION]

26 minutes ago, Ulax said:

I forgot that women just magically appear in your bedroom once you're successful and in shape  

If you pay for it. 😭 so Majed is right. The thing is if you are successful some girls will be interested in this orc but that are not the type of girls you want to trust and get in a relationship with. 

[Ulax]

1 minute ago, AION said:

If you pay for it. 😭 

LOL

1 minute ago, AION said:

The thing is if you are successful some girls will be interested in this orc but that are not the type of girls you want to trust and get in a relationship with. 

I get where you're coming from. But most of game is just implying that you are a high-value guy. A girl seeing you have money is just an honest signal that you are a high-value guy. So its really the same thing that she is being attracted to.

[LordFall]

It's true but social skills still help. There are also concepts like authentic vs negotiated desire that are hard to grasp if you've never done pickup. If you're young like 18-24 still probably worth to learn some game and fuck since women are less money focused at that age.

Online dating is also sleeper OP. You can get decent pictures and go on 1-2 dates a week from it easy, way less hassle than cold approach. Most of my bodycount is from online dating. People think you have to be super good looking to get decent matches, it helps for sure but it's mostly quality of your pictures and how fit you are. 

Having your money right will take care of 60% of your dating issues. The rest is emotional intelligence and communication skills which is what pickup forces you to practice. 

[StaraX]

@Ulax Not really related to the thread, but is it harder to do pick up with ADHD? What's your take on that?

[AION]

7 hours ago, Ulax said:

LOL

I get where you're coming from. But most of game is just implying that you are a high-value guy. A girl seeing you have money is just an honest signal that you are a high-value guy. So its really the same thing that she is being attracted to.

Provider frame still works but it is not the best. It is for people without game. 

[enchanted]

Yes, to attract a high quality partner a man has to also be high quality. It's called being the "whole package" - money, style, social skills, looks, personality, etc. 

Pick up trains some of those skills.

Done in the wrong way, pick up can be unhealthy, toxic, harmful, and debased.

Edited 4 hours ago by enchanted

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Wealth and status, and the questions surrounding them - can be a proxy for 'Does he have his shit together enough to look after himself, and potentially us + 1 in the event of children?" The question and status, can act as a proxy to broadcast responsibility and maturity. But looked at as a singular metric in total isolation is defective reasoning to come to that conclusion. 

The whole person needs to be considered.

[aurum]

You really want some of both.

Game is great for initial attraction. But if you want to genuinely build a life together long-term, you need that financial infrastructure. Game cannot do that. Game is sparkles and fairy dust.

[Zenterus]

You're right and wrong at the same time.

In my 10 years of pickup experience, I've learned that women assess you HOLISTICALLY as a man with your high value BEHAVIOURS being the biggest attraction draw initially. Your lifestyle is actually secondary initially -- although it does play more of a role when you're together long-term.

Now, it is actually easier to convey yourself in a high value way when you're indeed a high value guy who truly lives the part -- lifestyle, success, preselection -- but it isnt always the case that they come hand in hand.

You can be broke and have the right mindsets and the right look and vibe and have an amazing abundance with women as a consequence.

On the flip side, you can be rich and successful and be such a loser behaviourally -- such as not setting boundaries, not leading, being a pushover, ungrounded, etc -- and get used by women left and right because they dont respect you but you are useful because of your success.

This is how you end up like Will Smith, or Jeff Bezos, or a very good looking guy who I knew back in my Uni days whose girlfriend would blatantly flirt with me in front of him.

Of course, develop yourself, your fashion, your look, your money, your lifestyle, etc. All of those matter. But if your personality is weak, you will only get used.

[Ulax]

3 hours ago, AION said:

Provider frame still works but it is not the best. It is for people without game. 

Her knowing you have money isn't provider frame. 

[Schizophonia]

The more I try to understand women, the closer I get to an aneurysm; it's simply easier to abandon the realm of understanding and just move forward by following one's desires.

[Ulax]

5 hours ago, StaraX said:

@Ulax Not really related to the thread, but is it harder to do pick up with ADHD? What's your take on that?

Yes its probably harder because people with adhd are generally more emotionally ungrounded. When I took ADHD meds I started getting baddies bambi eyeing me. So, addressing the symptoms made an obvious difference.

That said, I struggle with game a lot so I'm not the best source of advice.