The dumbest collective shit test

[integral]

2 minutes ago, something_else said:

You're allowed your preferences, but it seems extreme to call it a mental illness. Especially if you do it responsibly by focusing on having safe sex, regular STD tests, not leading people on, communicating clearly that everything is casual etc. having a lot of partners isn't really inherently a negative thing. Context is important.

This is a fantasy, that's not how people get to 100 partners.

We're talking about the real world here

[something_else]

6 minutes ago, integral said:

This is a fantasy, that's not how people get to 100 partners.

We're talking about the real world here

It's how I got to over 100 partners, lol

Never had an STD, unwanted pregnancy, and I've also had two healthy long term (3+ year) relationships as well.

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[integral]

2 minutes ago, something_else said:

It's how I got to over 100 partners, lol

Never had an STD, unwanted pregnancy, and I've also had two healthy long term (3+ year) relationships as well.

Perfectly it's a great example, how many years did it take to get to that number of partners?

 

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[Valach]

It is not inherently a negative thing but it will be in most people from my experience. Most people who get into high body counts do so because of their inability to hold relationships, low self esteem and pure hedonism, which are all connected. Was case for me, for most of my friends with high body counts and most of the girls I dated with high bodycounts. Especially if we talking really high numbers like 100 and more.

In my experience the people who "won" it in life by being born into really good families with great parents simply pair up fairly quickly and do not leave those relationships and get off the market relatively quickly and are obviously thus not increasing their body counts.

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[integral]

@Valach It's not only that at the same time a whole life revolves around relationships, all that is cared about is relationships, when one finishes, there is a rush to the next one. It's like there's nothing else going on in life.

It's a person that's chasing the next high.

At no point is a person alone with themselves to even figure out what is meaningful in life or what should be pursued if there's anything other enjoyable that should be pursued. Every 10 people they meet is entanglement in their chaos.

Developed people are selecting their partners carefully and won't allow other people to interfere with their stability and way of life. If someone is just sleeping with everything that moves then they don't value their own time because they don't enjoy it.

Not being able to sit still for 30 seconds and having to rush out to go do something to stimulate oneself is a illness

Edited 5 hours ago by integral

[something_else]

15 minutes ago, integral said:

Perfectly it's a great example, how many years did it take to get to that number of partners?

 

Majority came from a year of backpacking, but in total this came from around 3 years of being single.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, integral said:

That doesn't mean some of them weren't true, and it is certainly what every man feels

For a woman to have sex with 100 men, they would have to have a new sexual partner every month for eight years.

That doesn't sound like stability or a partnership.

If I was investing my money somewhere, would I pick an unstable stock that crashes every month? Hoping that this time it's going to be different? That I'm not gonna lose all my money.

If a company releases 10 products and all 10 products fail within a month and then they announce an 11th product that's about to come out, would I invest in that? 

Overreaching here. Projecting. 

I'm not saying all your points are bull, but there is a some bullshit served up in there along with what got could call accurate inference. But it's not a guarantee to mean what you think. 

These are your personal moral judgements about what you personally define as what appears to be a feminine virtue - not a universal truth.

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[something_else]

9 minutes ago, integral said:

It's a person that's chasing the next high.

At no point is a person alone with themselves to even figure out what is meaningful in life or what should be pursued if there's anything other enjoyable that should be pursued. Every 10 people they meet is entanglement in their chaos.

Developed people are selecting their partners carefully and won't allow other people to interfere with their stability and way of life. If someone is just sleeping with everything that moves then they don't value their own time because they don't enjoy it.

Not being able to sit still for 30 seconds and having to rush out to go do something to stimulate oneself is a illness

Perhaps. In my case, I go on a date every few weeks with somebody from a dating app who also has similarly casual intentions, or maybe once per month (or less) I go out to a bar/club with my friends and sometimes end up hooking up with someone. It's not really clear to me what the negative impacts of that on my life would even be.

[Schizophonia]

14 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

@LordFall Hypothetical scenario: If you had one night with Sophie Rain, would you still feel need to keep going with your lifestyle after that? 

She's probably an uninteresting sociopath

[integral]

14 minutes ago, something_else said:

Perhaps. In my case, I go on a date every few weeks with somebody from a dating app who also has similarly casual intentions, or maybe once per month (or less) I go out to a bar/club with my friends and sometimes end up hooking up with someone. It's not really clear to me what the negative impacts of that on my life would even be.

 That's just hook up culture.

Nothing wrong with it if that's what you enjoy doing.

The conversation was about why someone wouldn't want their partner to have hook-up culture brain.

And it's because hookup culture brain is not partnership brain.

[integral]

27 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

These are your personal moral judgements about what you personally define as what appears to be a feminine virtue - not a universal truth.

I'm not talking about morality, we're not judging anyone.

There's body count from the lower perspective were you judge them as disgusting and you have a bunch of emotional problems towards it.

And then there's just understanding it from the higher level, which is these people have characteristics that you don't really want to date them.

It's about what is practical.

Would we want to date someone with BPD, ideally no. Are we judging them, no... 

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[LordFall]

15 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

@LordFall Hypothetical scenario: If you had one night with Sophie Rain, would you still feel need to keep going with your lifestyle after that? 

Sure, the life and skillset that you need to build to sleep with one of the most in demand woman on earth are different from the life I'd need to build to be able to attract many of them at the same time. It would just be proof that what I'm doing is working and I need to triple down on it. 

I think bisexuality is hard for people to understand(and sexuality as a whole) but there are many bisexual women out there that would feel suffocated in a monogamous relationship with a man. My goal is to find many of them, travel the world with them, have awesome adventures and build a communal business and family with them. 

2 hours ago, integral said:

Having a new partner every month for 10 years straight to get to the super high body counts means you're not good at bonding. Or maintaining relationships or you have major trauma like there's so many things involved. Nothing about this is healthy. 

Why do you need to bond with every person you sleep with? Sounds like co-dependency to me. You can be intentional in the relationships that you do choose to build whether that'd be business partnerships, friendships or long term polyamorous entanglements without needing a monogamous partner.

Sounds to me like you're inexperienced in this domain and projecting a lot of insecurity and fears that you have on it in terms of not being able to find a partner you can trust. 

A lot of high body count women are very intentional in their relationships and value the few men that rise above the rest quite a bit and are not mentally ill hedonists like you project. For example the influencer Aella talks about being an escort and I'm sure her body count is well above 100. She is currently looking for a long term partner but she isn't the wild caricature that you portray. 

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[integral]

@LordFall the position you're holding is that the liberal pick up culture entanglationships is perfectly hip and cool and we could all do it and Kumbaya.

And it doesn't work at practice.

The hippies figure that out a long time ago, none of that works, when it does it's rare and you need to be uniquely designed for it. And surgically find people who are also uniquely designed for it. 

The problem with the points that you made is that you're pointing at the very very small minority of people who can actually pull this off in high consciousness way. First there are very few high consciousness people and even within that group very few of them want to participate in the lifestyle that you're asking for, nor is it necessary or would they want to.

High consciousness does not mean you're open to all sexuality and suddenly all your preferences are gone. It is not about development. It doesn't matter how developed you become you're not gonna become less monogamous. If anything you become more monogamous because you're more easily satisfied with one person and you have the wisdom not to play this chaos game of entangling with all these people.

Most people are unhealthy and you're entangling yourself with so many people that it makes no sense, it's the opposite of what a high consciousness person ends up doing, most of them choose to be alone.

When you become consciousness enough, you choose to be alone, instead of dealing with the chaos of other people.

21 minutes ago, LordFall said:

Why do you need to bond with every person you sleep with? Sounds like co-dependency to me. You can be intentional in the relationships that you do choose to build whether that'd be business partnerships, friendships or long term polyamorous entanglements without needing a monogamous partner.

It's the opposite, real bonding is not attachment. It's to maturely at a distance Take responsibility for someone other than yourself.

Pick up cultures brain only takes responsibility for themselves, and codependency is to depend on someone else for your happiness. Which is what most people with pick up culture brain are chasing. They can't sit with themselves for 30 seconds they have to constantly get the next high. 

Edited 3 hours ago by integral

[LordFall]

I think everyone could use more self-development. The extent to which they go down the multiple paths is offer is up to them. If we're talking about dating and relationships there I think most men are underdeveloped and a lot of women as well. 

You're right perhaps I'm describing neediness and scarcity more than codependency in this context. I think if you're a well developed person you'll be able to form many bonds with many people if you so desire and you'd be able to attract many opposite partners of the opposite sex or whatever way you swing that you find high quality.

I think it's much more common for people to dive a bit into the pool of facing your fears and doing pickup for example and then giving up once they realize the true gap between who they are compared to who they need to get the result they want and rationalize it away afterwards. Which is why I'm skeptical of people saying they've been there done that and are above it now. It's like someone being above money but has never had built a successful career or business; it's mostly sour grapes. 

Ultimately self-awareness is key and knowing what you envision for your future. If people are satisfied with what they got then it's far from my intention to preach my way as superior. It seems to me that most people are coping and not satisfied though. 

22 minutes ago, integral said:

Most people are unhealthy and you're entangling yourself with so many people that it makes no sense, it's the opposite of what a high consciousness person ends up doing, most of them choose to be alone.

When you become consciousness enough, you choose to be alone, instead of dealing with the chaos of other people.

To me this is the epitome of coping. It's to admit powerlessness and ability to change the world. You influence others through your actions, beliefs and behaviours so if you are truly higher consciousness you will purify those you hangout around. 

Most people are not monogamous, it's just that enforced monogamy has been the most stable societal configuration for the past couple thousands of years. Globalization is changing that though so I don't really see a way that society will evolve apart from further hypergamy and a more competitive dating marketplace. It's just the natural state of evolution and our species. 

[integral]

20 minutes ago, LordFall said:

if you are truly higher consciousness you will purify those you hangout around

YA OK. you're confusing sadguru for high consciousness. High consciousness involves a lot of diversity. 

Not only will you not purify anyone, they will drag you down to their level.

Being exposed to other people's chronic chaos is not healthy no matter how developed a person is.

It's like being punched in the face every day and thinking that you're so spiritual and you could take it, and all of that is a spiritual trap.

The most loving thing to do is get far away from them.

20 minutes ago, LordFall said:

Most people are not monogamous, it's just that enforced monogamy has been the most stable societal configuration for the past couple thousands of years. Globalization is changing that though so I don't really see a way that society will evolve apart from further hypergamy and a more competitive dating marketplace. It's just the natural state of evolution and our species. 

It's because you're in the bubble so you're not realizing, it's exhausting work dealing with more people.

More people more problems. 

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[Jirh]

I can't even get properly attracted to a girl until I've known her well and spent at least some weeks with her.

I mean unless she's model tier or something like that.

But even then, the attraction is not the same.

Superficial attraction does not come close to deep emotional connection attraction.

I don't know if it's just me, but my biology is that selective by default.

[LordFall]

10 minutes ago, integral said:

YA OK. you're confusing sadguru for high consciousness. High consciousness involves a lot of diversity. 

Not only will you not purify anyone, they will drag you down to their level.

Being exposed to other people's chronic chaos is not healthy no matter how developed a person is.

It's like being punched in the face every day and thinking that you're so spiritual and you could take it, and all of that is a spiritual trap.

The most loving thing to do is get far away from them.

It's because you're in the bubble so you're not realizing, it's exhausting work dealing with more people.

More people more problems. 

All you're saying is perhaps you're too spiritual to deal with the plebs. Does that sound like someone that's really high consciousness or just coping by spiritually bypassing? 

Sorry for being uncouth but I have to call out illogicality when I see it. 

@Jirh Do you feel it's an ego defence mechanism as in you're worried that women won't appreciate you until they really get to know you and thus you won't let yourself be attracted to them? It reminds me of dudes that get into pickup and say THERE ARE NO HOT GIRLS HERE in a venue clearly filled with hot women because they have anxiety about approaching them and it's easier to shut the door completely rather than face being not good enough for them at the moment. Women can be ruthless lol, it's natural selection at play. Biology is gatekept by the psyche if you were truly in abundance and knew you were the shit and women loved you I think you would have an attitude more like Gattouz here. 

Worth a watch, spiritual circles tend to try to pretend they're above sexuality because well mostly they're not that successful at it. Gattouz is one of the top male pornstars right now and his life philosophy is basically I love women women are beautiful and every single one deserves my dick no matter how old or fat. I think that's a beautiful mindset for a young man. Idk how he'll evolve as he'll grow older but it was very inspiring for me to listen to it. 

Edited 2 hours ago by LordFall

[integral]

4 minutes ago, LordFall said:

All you're saying is perhaps you're too spiritual to deal with the plebs. Does that sound like someone that's really high consciousness or just coping by spiritually bypassing? 

Yes, you have to wisdom to not date people.

This happens after you've dated enough people to get that wisdom.

To be clear we're talking about dating not socializing, And on top of that multiple people which is just chaos multiplied.

[LordFall]

I think there's wisdom in taking a break from dating to reevaluate your goals and perspective. To claim it as the superior perspective is foolishness though. Specifically because it directly points to a lack of skill in leadership. 

20 minutes ago, integral said:

YA OK. you're confusing sadguru for high consciousness. High consciousness involves a lot of diversity. 

Not only will you not purify anyone, they will drag you down to their level.

Being exposed to other people's chronic chaos is not healthy no matter how developed a person is.

It's like being punched in the face every day and thinking that you're so spiritual and you could take it, and all of that is a spiritual trap.

The most loving thing to do is get far away from them.

People's personalities are very weak and malleable. If you were truly a solid in yours(not saying that I'm fully there yet) then their nonsense would roll off of you and you would be able to put clear boundaries where the problematic behaviours lie and inspire towards elevating themselves if you could successfully demonstrate that your perspective is truly higher consciousness. 

To use your analogy it's thats the police. You would train yourself to be stronger than the average person and stop them from punching you and create an organization powerful enough that they don't really need to punch back to neutralize and teach people better. We're kind of halfway there in our western societies but you as anyone can see easier said than done! 

[Sugarcoat]

1 hour ago, LordFall said:

Sure, the life and skillset that you need to build to sleep with one of the most in demand woman on earth are different from the life I'd need to build to be able to attract many of them at the same time. It would just be proof that what I'm doing is working and I need to triple down on it. 

I think bisexuality is hard for people to understand(and sexuality as a whole) but there are many bisexual women out there that would feel suffocated in a monogamous relationship with a man. My goal is to find many of them, travel the world with them, have awesome adventures and build a communal business and family with them. 

I was half joking, slightly provocative with my Sophie comment, but interesting to read your response anywho