Doesn't living 100% integrity mean you die?

[UpperMaster]

The past few days I've been thinking deeply and trying hard to live with deep levels of integrity. 

With the definition of Integrity: Coherence between what you think, what you say and how you act.

We can quickly see how if you were 100% honest and with integrity all the time you wouldn't be able to survive and would ultimately die. Even basic survival necessitates some lying or omission. 

In any friendship or relationship, you chose to present yourself in a limited way for the best outcome, you chose to omit certain information to protect yourself (survival). I wasn't aware of how often I did this in my everyday life. 

By definition that is opportunistic and not integrous. 

The more I try to live with integrity as per this definition (I like this definition because it is operationalized), the more I realize that I would basically be slowly sacrificing my whole life.

[UpperMaster]

Oh and one other thing. I've been talking with Chatgpt about this, and he always says "Integrity is not transparency", he sort of presents this argument where omitting information for the sake of a better relationship with a person is completely fine (provided what your hiding is not relevant). I also agree, that in many cases it is the wise thing to do, but that is not integrity, by definition that is opportunism because you are omitting information for the sake of your own self-interest.

Maybe I am not articulating correctly, I just feel like social interactions necessitates presenting yourself un-holistically (especially when your not close to the person), so theres no way to be hundred percent integrous.

If you were a hundred percent integrous with everyone you meet, you'll probably get ostracized.

 

 

Edited Thursday at 05:54 PM by UpperMaster

[Joseph Maynor]

I see it as the reverse, but also more nuanced than that too.  I think to live with integrity means you live on and take accountability for how you live.

[Thought Art]

At least be honest with yourself.

[Rigel]

You can know that you are lying while keeping your integrity. There’s a higher game of harmony with the finite to be played. You don’t loose your integrity by pretending like the game of monopoly is real when you play it.

[integration journey]

Why does everything has to do with death. Enjoy the opportunity you have with life. 

[Leo Gura]

Depends on where you live.

In some places it is possible, in others it is not.

You'd want to relocate to a place where it is possible.

No, you won't die, but the chances of death increase. How much it increases depends on location.

Edited 8 hours ago by Leo Gura

[ted73104]

It depends on what you mean by "dying". I also see the opposite as true, living with lower integrity allows you to conform, disguise, and manipulate your way into a better "position". I live in a Taiwanese AI chip large corp environment, and I allowed myself to be enslaved by the corporation to a certain degree so that I have the net worth that I have now.

[Osaid]

10 hours ago, integration journey said:

Why does everything has to do with death.

Right  Everyone is so macabre.

[Hojo]

@Osaid People who are interested in spirituality are death lords. Drawn to death and thinking about death.

[Osaid]

9 minutes ago, Hojo said:

People who are interested in spirituality are death lords. Drawn to death and thinking about death.

It makes sense that the finite would be concerned with what happens after the finite disappears. Like paper being concerned about scissors. But that's the belief in finite. What about what isn't disappearing, which isn't finite and isn't a belief?

Death seems to be spiritual because it looks supernatural and mysterious by virtue of being unknown, but it's a distraction from what actually exists.

Edited 8 hours ago by Osaid

[Hojo]

@Osaid Its actually the smartest thing to focus on. You have a ? Neuron in your brain that has non qualities attached to it. Its like a nothing neuron and its what you are focusing on when you think about it. Your like hovering around nothing when you think about it, if you think about it alot you touch nothing.

Thinking about God or death is the same thing. Its not a distraction its truth. The truth is ?.

When you think about death you are witnessing God.

? Is all that exists.

Everything else except death is a distraction.

you are dead right now.

The goal of spirituality is to be dead right now.

You wont know unless you focus on death.

Thats why Christians make you scared of it so you wont know Jesus.

 

Hyper intelligent people automatically do it.

Focusing on Death is the way.

Have you never heard of buddha. 

He was in royality and then see a dead person and went oh shit what the fuck is this concept? I must know. I must know the answer to the question of non existence or ?.

The answer of death ultimately comes down to what is a question. Where is this coming from. What am I experiencing.

Its the question of spirituality.

Edited 7 hours ago by Hojo

[Osaid]

7 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Osaid Its actually the smartest thing to focus on. You have a ? Neuron in your brain that has non qualities attached to it. Its like a nothing neuron and its what you are focusing on when you think about it. Your like hovering around nothing when you think about it, if you think about it alot you touch nothing.

Thinking about God or death is the same thing. Its not a distraction its truth. The truth is ?.

When you think about death you are witnessing God.

? Is all that exists.

Everything else except death is a distraction.

you are dead right now.

The goal of spirituality is to be dead right now.

You wont know unless you focus on death.

Thats why Christians make you scared of it so you wont know Jesus.

 

Hyper intelligent people automatically do it.

Sounds like you're opening the closet and realizing that nothing is in there.

[Hojo]

@Osaid No other concept will open that door. Cause every other concept has a definition. Death is the only real lie.

Its how you see the funny joke.

You make a lie your entire life and then say just joking.

Edited 7 hours ago by Hojo

[Osaid]

12 minutes ago, Hojo said:

Have you never heard of buddha. 

He was in royality and then see a dead person and went oh shit what the fuck is this concept? I must know. I must know the answer to the question of non existence or ?.

The answer of death ultimately comes down to what is a question. Where is this coming from. What am I experiencing.

Its the question of spirituality.

Right. It can definitely spawn an investigation. Because it is so pertinent for the seeker.

But the resolution always seems to be "doh, it was just a belief".

[Hojo]

15 minutes ago, Osaid said:

Right. It can definitely spawn an investigation. Because it is so pertinent for the seeker.

But the resolution always seems to be "doh, it was just a belief".

That is the reason its important to focus on. The doh part will fire you off into space by the weight of this insane lie. The concept of death is so scary to look into it will drop your state into a very negative one. What is so negative will fire you into the highest positive state when you realize its a lie. Its a mechanism in which you spread your roots deep into the Earth and then skyrock your branches into infinity. No other fear or concept can do this except contemplation of death.

Its not like fear of rape because rape still exists after you think about it and it can still happen to you. When you fear non existence its so scary and to realize that its not real is like being welcomed into heaven. It cant happen to you its not even real. Its like Gods greatest gift to the person who contemplates nothing.

Contemplating death and non existence is a special feature of the human body that skyrockets you to God. Like the human body has a special feature to reach God via its machinery to let you see God by focusing on Death. Things will happen to your physical body. Its a path to enlightenment.

Nothing is more important than to do this.

I am making the extreme claim that thinking about death is literally the most important thing to do as a human. Constantly and always something will happen to your body.

If you dont think about dying you are wasting your human being. A human being is designed to do this. Its the only machine on the planet that can do this. 

If you think about Death all the time you are worshipping God and God will reward you for your intelligence.

Its a concept God itself dosent know.

Edited 7 hours ago by Hojo

[gettoefl]

My truth will destroy you and you will destroy me on hearing it. I give you what you deserve based on what you can handle. Please do the same to me. My truth is for me not you. I am integrous to myself only. You are a transaction. I won't say this to your face. You couldn't handle it.