The criticisms of incel-ideology and redpill-ideology also apply to feminist ideology

[Basman]

Most incels/femcels are just parroting "criticisms" to justify their cope to themselves. They are so ideological in their thinking that anything they are saying isn't worth taking too seriously. It's noise.

[Lila9]

Nah, this is not just a lazy comparison but an untruthful one.

Equating the feminist movement to the incel/red pill ideology is like equating a movement that fights racism to the Nazis.

By the way, the incel movement was started by a woman and originally had no toxic intent. It was later hijacked by men who made it toxic and harmful.

Femcels are not necessarily feminists, while feminists are not necessarily femcels. Those are two separate things. Reducing feminism to just a bunch of incels gives me the vibes of, "I am upholding the patriarchy and feel guilty, so I have to reduce the movement that confronts it by equating it to a pack of toxic and harmful misogynists and sexists in order to invalidate it and feel good with myself"

Contemplate why feminism exists, why it is needed, and read some feminist literature, of course, if you are serious.

[Sugarcoat]

On 2026-05-29 at 2:41 PM, Ulax said:

They get away with it cos dudes wanna bang them loool

And they wanna bang those dudes too. But they try to gaslight themselves by saying stuff like "men are trash" to try to protect themselves from "toxic" guys but they can't help themselves but to be attracted to them still

Buhu hormones 

Edited 3 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[LordFall]

1 hour ago, Lila9 said:

Nah, this is not just a lazy comparison but an untruthful one.

Equating the feminist movement to the incel/red pill ideology is like equating a movement that fights racism to the Nazis.

By the way, the incel movement was started by a woman and originally had no toxic intent. It was later hijacked by men who made it toxic and harmful.

Femcels are not necessarily feminists, while feminists are not necessarily femcels. Those are two separate things. Reducing feminism to just a bunch of incels gives me the vibes of, "I am upholding the patriarchy and feel guilty, so I have to reduce the movement that confronts it by equating it to a pack of toxic and harmful misogynists and sexists in order to invalidate it and feel good with myself"

Contemplate why feminism exists, why it is needed, and read some feminist literature, of course, if you are serious.

What is the patriarchy to you? It sounds to me like you're lumping all of feminism together when it's separated by waves. 1st-3rd wave feminism seems way more legitimate to me than 4th wave feminism that we have today which is mostly femcels/anti-establishment socialists. 

[Ulax]

2 hours ago, Lila9 said:

Nah, this is not just a lazy comparison but an untruthful one.

Equating the feminist movement to the incel/red pill ideology is like equating a movement that fights racism to the Nazis.

By the way, the incel movement was started by a woman and originally had no toxic intent. It was later hijacked by men who made it toxic and harmful.

Femcels are not necessarily feminists, while feminists are not necessarily femcels. Those are two separate things. Reducing feminism to just a bunch of incels gives me the vibes of, "I am upholding the patriarchy and feel guilty, so I have to reduce the movement that confronts it by equating it to a pack of toxic and harmful misogynists and sexists in order to invalidate it and feel good with myself"

Contemplate why feminism exists, why it is needed, and read some feminist literature, of course, if you are serious.

What you're doing is very clear

[Sugarcoat]

8 minutes ago, Ulax said:

What you're doing is very clear

Im curious about what you're seeing because ive been thinking stuff too

[Ulax]

6 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Im curious about what you're seeing because ive been thinking stuff too

Respectfully, I don't want to speak more on it

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, Ulax said:

Respectfully, I don't want to speak more on it

I understand, maybe I should've picked up on it  : ) 

[mr_engineer]

2 hours ago, Lila9 said:

Nah, this is not just a lazy comparison but an untruthful one.

Of course, you have to say that, you have to define what 'truth' is to suit yourself. 

2 hours ago, Lila9 said:

Equating the feminist movement to the incel/red pill ideology is like equating a movement that fights racism to the Nazis.

I'm not equating the ideologies, I'm asking you why the same criticisms don't apply. 

2 hours ago, Lila9 said:

By the way, the incel movement was started by a woman and originally had no toxic intent. It was later hijacked by men who made it toxic and harmful.

Femcels are not necessarily feminists, while feminists are not necessarily femcels. Those are two separate things. Reducing feminism to just a bunch of incels gives me the vibes of, "I am upholding the patriarchy and feel guilty, so I have to reduce the movement that confronts it by equating it to a pack of toxic and harmful misogynists and sexists in order to invalidate it and feel good with myself"

Yeah, yeah, only men are 'toxic and harmful'. That's the ideology, right? 

2 hours ago, Lila9 said:

Contemplate why feminism exists, why it is needed, and read some feminist literature, of course, if you are serious.

Feminism exists because academia and mainstream psychology has given it way too much credibility. I don't want to read a whole bunch of literature bashing on men and talking about how men get off on oppressing women, thanks. 

[Hojo]

21 minutes ago, mr_engineer said:

Of course, you have to say that, you have to define what 'truth' is to suit yourself. 

 

This is my problem with feminists, they will argue their position is true while holding an ideology. Since the system is for them you are 'automatically' wrong. And if you disagree, banned. They dont see they are doing it either or are being bad faith. Then will say their beleifs are the actual true opinion of reality and argue like your perception is just bad. This is terrible manipulation.

Reality dosent have a beleif system. Both our opinions come from the void of nothing happening. They dont understand that their views are coming from a position that is radical.

The difference between the 2 is one has complete control over the narrative the other has no power at all.

At the same time claiming oppression. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Hojo

[Schizophonia]

4 hours ago, Lila9 said:

Nah, this is not just a lazy comparison but an untruthful one.

Equating the feminist movement to the incel/red pill ideology is like equating a movement that fights racism to the Nazis.

By the way, the incel movement was started by a woman and originally had no toxic intent. It was later hijacked by men who made it toxic and harmful.

Femcels are not necessarily feminists, while feminists are not necessarily femcels. Those are two separate things. Reducing feminism to just a bunch of incels gives me the vibes of, "I am upholding the patriarchy and feel guilty, so I have to reduce the movement that confronts it by equating it to a pack of toxic and harmful misogynists and sexists in order to invalidate it and feel good with myself"

Contemplate why feminism exists, why it is needed, and read some feminist literature, of course, if you are serious.

You can't accept the mirror because it would prevent you from being a hero/victim (it's the same thing)

Someone who's truly in love will do gardening, eat Häagen-Dazs ...; they won't talk about things like that; and the ego excuse is always the same.

 

"We live in a world with this problemmmmmm." "Someone has to be interested in it."

 

Edited 28 minutes ago by Schizophonia

[Natasha Tori Maru]

To me this argument centres around 4th wave feminism.

You apply some fixes to cracked glass, patch them up. Gradually you come up with "policy" to mend all the cracks so everything is good again. But after a while, once we get to the stage of all cracks mended and we are polishing the surface - there's only so far you can go before you grind away the thickness of the glass, only to have it collapse and crack again until it's own weight. Generating a whole explosion of new issues - cracks.

First waves of feminism - cheers, did good.

Online feminism and 4th wave? No.