The criticisms of incel-ideology and redpill-ideology also apply to feminist ideology

[mr_engineer]

The criticisms of incel-ideology and redpill-ideology are that 'they make men's understanding of women narrow, biased and self-serving', right? That is a valid criticism. 

My question is - why doesn't the same criticism apply to feminist ideology? Here's what I've heard feminists say: 

• Men are trash. 
• Men are the reason that equality hasn't been achieved
• Men aren't loyal
• Men as a class are completely privileged
• Men fear strong women
• All men cheat
• (This one is my personal favorite) Men are emotionally underdeveloped

Now, tell me - how does this not make women's understanding of men narrow, biased and self-serving? 

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

Yes they are definitely missguided. Their concerns about their rights, and about a lot of their issues is very valid and definitely embedded in truth because these conversations are rooted in their experiences. This is what is ultumately fueling the entire movement, and it's not something they made up. It's just their macro understanding of reality and their assumptions about the root causes of these issues (and thus their supposed solutions) that is either highly insufficient or just straight up BS

Edited 4 hours ago by NewKidOnTheBlock

[mr_engineer]

4 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

Their concerns about their rights, and about a lot of their issues is very valid and definitely embedded in truth because these conversations are rooted in their experiences.

I think the same can be said about the manosphere ideologies. 

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

12 minutes ago, mr_engineer said:

I think the same can be said about the manosphere ideologies. 

Definitely

[trenton]

One of the criticisms of red pill and incel ideology is that the misogyny sometimes drives its followers to committing acts of mass violence. Sexual frustration can fuel deep resentment leading to shootings.

https://cssh.northeastern.edu/the-misogyny-fueling-americas-mass-shootings/

Is this a counter example of a criticism of these ideologies that don't apply to feminism?

The other examples you gave seem solid. Of course there are sexist feminists just as there sexist men who stereotype about women in harmful ways.

Maybe entitlement to another person's body leading to rape would be another counter example.

Currently, I haven't thought of other counter examples, but this is the first attempt that came to mind that would challenge this perspective. What do you think?

[Hojo]

Bro just check out the feminism subreddit 2 x chromosomes its incel paradise.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, Hojo said:

Bro just check out the feminism subreddit 2 x chromosomes its incel paradise.

I get massive incels vibes when reading that subreddit. It's a female mirror of the male incel dialogue... Victims, blame. No responsibility. Cannot admit fault. 

[Hojo]

@Natasha Tori Maru its because its actually trans men that hate themselves. They are all men dressing as woman. They had a share your picture day and it was just trans people specifically men into woman. That hate men.

But these are the allies of feminism. Its the biggest group of feminist on the internet.

Edited 36 minutes ago by Hojo