Why did God make life so hard for humans?

[LordFall]

I would say easily 70% of humans are struggling and not having a good time. If you make a shitty game perhaps you're the problem. Really annoys me to hear Leo talk about God being perfect and all loving lately, I think he's been smoking too much kool aid. Lay off the psychedelics and level with the problems of the world. 

Think if Leo volunteered in a homeless shelter in Vegas for 2 days his blog posts would take a drastic turn. 

Edited 4 hours ago by LordFall

[Hojo]

I was thinking about this earlier,

Sadhguru always say, your imagination and intellect have worked against you, and its your fault

Hes sitting there like the only one who has mastered this.

But if like 70 percent of the world is having the same problem how is that not a design flaw?

Or is there serious unchained mass manipulation going on?

If its so easy that 70 percent of the world is failing, I dont get how thats good design.

Edited 15 hours ago by Hojo

[Miguel1]

God experiences all. There are life forms where God has it much worse and life forms where God has it much better.

[Joseph Maynor]

8 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

God experiences all. There are life forms where God has it much worse and life forms where God has it much better.

Can you explain how this works?  

[LordFall]

9 minutes ago, Hojo said:

I was thinking about this earlier,

Sadhguru always say, your imagination and intellect have worked against you, and its your fault

Hes sitting there like the only one who has mastered this.

But if like 70 percent of the world is having the same problem how is that not a design flaw?

Or is there serious unchained mass manipulation going on?

If its so easy that 70 percent of the world is failing, I dont get how thats good design.

You can meditate and cause cessation in yourself to stop suffering(if you're rich enough to be able to afford it or live in abject poverty and somehow survive)

Be a corrupt elite and torture/exploit others to make it easier for yourself

Or be in the exploited masses and suffer along the rest. 

Great game. Fuck you God. 

And somehow humanity demonizes AI. It's the only thing that has a potential to end our suffering. Only hope for humanity is AI post scarcity UBI IMO. 

[LordFall]

@Leo Gura You have to be pretty high to write and post shit like this. Usually I smoke a lot of weed and feel a similar way but being sober feels like a fucking joke of a sentiment. I wanna see you do some public charity and vlog that instead of being on a high horse talking about a perfect reality. 

[Hojo]

@LordFall Its true, when I saw myself as the universe I saw that it was perfectly clean and perfectly ordered.

It felt like Mr clean and super sparkly.

 

Edited 15 hours ago by Hojo

[Miguel1]

9 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Can you explain how this works?  

Leo has explained this so much already?

[LordFall]

Just now, Hojo said:

@LordFall Its true, when I saw myself as the universe I saw that it was perfectly clean and perfectly ordered.

It felt like Mr clean.

Yeah and how high were you? 

[Hojo]

@LordFall I was high as fuck.

[Joseph Maynor]

3 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

Leo has explained this so much already?

I appreciate Leo's video, but I'm asking you.  

[integration journey]

I resonate with the idea that your soul chooses your lessons before you are born into life and then you go about learning lessons in life because your soul wants to be enriched after living in non duality for so long. 

I think people who have harder lives have strong souls and already respawned many times and their soul learned many lessons. 

Now don’t get smart on me and start asking me if I have seen a soul and shit like that. It’s just a strong intuition I have
 

Edited 14 hours ago by integration journey

[Natasha Tori Maru]

It is worth inspecting the judgments we attach to hardship. When something is difficult, do we automatically label it with some aversion (or desire?) IE "bad".

There’s a difference between the experience itself and our interpretation of it. Pain, stress, and difficulty are very, very real. Some of the most powerful things we experience, but what we make of them is not fixed.

Hardship doesn’t inherently mean something has gone wrong. For most people it does feel that way. This isn't always the case, some are inherently high in wisdom and can shift perspectives and interpretation. It’s possible to hold clarity, perspective, even a kind of steadiness, while going through it completely sober. You do not need to be high to maintain a higher state in this way. It can be achieved even during the worst of times if we drive to be able to view things from all perspectives.

Hardship is a catalyst, but not a virtue.

[zurew]

5 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Can you explain how this works?

My understanding is that under his view, God is everything and God is infinite and God experiences everything and Infinity includes every possible thing and scenario (including all the  good and bad stuff, and all possible configurations of how the world can be created). Under this view, its not like God has a choice not to "create" certain things, because everything is God and Infinity cant just remove certain parts of itself. So its not like other views, where a conscious agent seperate from and not identitcal with its creation,  has an ability to decide what state of affairs he should create and with what kind of moral parameters.

There is no problem of evil under this view, because there isnt any possible conscious deliberate choice that could prevent certain scenarios from happening, since infinity necessarily includes all possible worlds and all possible scenarios. 

 

 

But this is why its problematic for Leo to just randomly collect quotes that were said in a wildly different framework, because once you examine who said those things and in what framework, you immediately realize that the meaning of those statements are very different and the problem of evil takes an entirely different shape there.

Under Leibinz view, God created the Universe and the Universe is not identitcal to God and since under that view God has a  choice (before creation ) about what to create and not to create - under that view, Leibinz response entails that God (after contemplating about it), made the decision that the Universe needs to be created exactly as it is right now - so one less kid getting raped would make the Universe less perfect; just one less person getting burned alive would make the Universe not as perfect as it is now etc.

 

Under Leo's view though (if im correct about God creating all possible worlds), infinity necessarily includes kids getting raped and people being burned alive and infinity cannot not include those things. But its also the case, that under this view the label "perfect" is very much vacuous.

The other interpretation of Leo's view is that God doesnt create all possible worlds, but he is Good and good there doesnt mean anything other than just saying that he values everything the exact same and this is where "he has no bias" comes in. Im not sure under that view how that is different from saying God is indifferent to what happens and im also not sure why use the label "good" there. Because under this interpretation, the term "Good" is  completely vacuous , because it is compatible with creating and or allowing any given state of affairs.

Its also useful to mention that he sometimes equivocates between action guiding good and non-action guiding good. 

 

But yeah, you only have POE (problem of evil)  if God has a choice about what to create and or if God has a choice about what actions and state of affairs he allows to happen in the world.

Edited 9 hours ago by zurew

[Hayato]

In my opinion God isn't responsible for our suffering and hardship, most of it comes from other people. He is not a dictator that determines every aspect of our lives, or orders people what to do. He gave us freewill to create the world that we want. 

I reccommend the books "Conversations with God" from Neale Donald Walsch.

[YIDIRYIDIR]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

 This isn't always the case, some are inherently high in wisdom and can shift perspectives and interpretation..

Hardship is a catalyst, but not a virtue.

I guess that's his point when he says 70%. not everyone can do that. most people are unconscious and are spiralling in vicious cycles of struggle and suffering most of their life, they just don't know any better. 

[vibv]

Because we're being harvested by dark energies.

This does not contradict Absolute Good, because there's the potential to wake up and turn all the Darkness into Pure Raging White Light.

[gettoefl]

I need to forget humans and focus on myself. My life is hard due to self inflicted wounds. I can't lay that on God. If I work on me, I can wake up. Then I can be used by God to make the world a less shit place. 

The saving of the entire world is in my hands.

Will I step up is the only question.

[Bjorn K Holmstrom]

9 hours ago, LordFall said:

I would say easily 70% of humans are struggling and not having a good time. If you make a shitty game perhaps you're the problem. Really annoys me to hear Leo talk about God being perfect and God lately, I think he's been drinking too much kool aid. Lay off the psychedelics and level with the problems of the world. 

Think if Leo volunteered in a homeless shelter in Vegas for 2 days his blog posts would take a drastic turn. 

I feel you on this, I also think the world seems unfairly designed at times. But I also have hope other times, I think history has proven that nothing lasts forever and we have the possibility to change our system. Maybe the design isn't fixed, maybe we've been running bad software on good hardware, so to speak. Maybe with the multiple crisis humanity will step up and come together?

 

[Lyubov]

The world just is. This is not a problem that you reason your way out of. Recognize that you believe the world should be different. Different for who? Only you? What about others? The rain falls on both the most beautiful field and the roof of the prison. Can you accept the world as it is? Sometimes I don’t want to. Start there. Listen and comfort yourself but don’t capitulate to the resistance and let it be your entire focus of the world.