The Manosphere Isn't About Men. Or Women

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, Tenebroso said:

When you have PEOPLE who pretend to be more self aware, intuitive, emotionally intelligent etc than they actually are we can never actually have an honest conversation.

Ftfy

[Tenebroso]

@Natasha Tori Maru The mainstream has already declared men as trash, stupid, undeveloped and predatory there is no concealing the many faults of men it comes up in every discussion on all platforms.

However, the same is not true for women we pretend as if women are bot at fault for anything, we pretend as if women have no agency despite never having as much choice in their relationships as they do now, supposedly possess this incredible intuition but all of that goes of the window when they inevitably end up with the wrong men, emotionally intelligent and great communicators but expect men to be mind readers and don't see the emotional labor it takes to deal with women.

[Eskilon]

4 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Speckled white Mitsubishi's, single 4k hz constant pure tone from the speakers, saucer eyes staring at a white felt tip pen to manifest pure zen state ^n! Where n=1,2,3.... 

No sense to be had

Lit🔥🔥

[LordFall]

20 minutes ago, Tenebroso said:

@Natasha Tori Maru The mainstream has already declared men as trash, stupid, undeveloped and predatory there is no concealing the many faults of men it comes up in every discussion on all platforms.

However, the same is not true for women we pretend as if women are bot at fault for anything, we pretend as if women have no agency despite never having as much choice in their relationships as they do now, supposedly possess this incredible intuition but all of that goes of the window when they inevitably end up with the wrong men, emotionally intelligent and great communicators but expect men to be mind readers and don't see the emotional labor it takes to deal with women.

Worrying about what the mainstream thinks about men and getting down over it is what's called failing the shit test. 

[Basman]

On 4/12/2026 at 7:06 PM, Lila9 said:

This is why I can’t equate the manosphere and the men participating in it on social media with women commenting about it on social media, because women’s comments are not fueled by the same ideologically driven hate, but rather by caution and safety precautions in response to real danger.

meh, there are a lot of mad women.

They're really made for each other if you think about it. They obsess over each all the time ❤️

Edited yesterday at 06:58 PM by Basman

[Basman]

Obsessing over incels is kind of a sign of being self-absorbed. There has to be better things to do than worrying a bunch of terminally online autists?

They are funny though. 

[Lila9]

2 hours ago, Ulax said:

Agree. Feminism is much more cognitively advanced than manosphere.  

Though there is also much displaced anger, distorted thinking within some women identifying as feminists online. And its important to take into account algorithmic drift.

Feminism is really much more advance and also more rooted in reality. 

[Lila9]

8 minutes ago, Basman said:

meh, there are a lot of mad women.

They're really made for each other if you think about it. They obsess over each all the time ❤️

Believe me, women have very good reasons to be angry because it involves their lives and safety in the world, about which many men don’t seem to care.

“Nice” women don’t make change.

Without some angry women there would have been no feminism and women would still be considered the property of their husbands or fathers by law today.

And no don’t reduce it to some romantic kitsch.

It has nothing to do with online misogynists. We women don’t have to go online to experience misogyny.

[Ulax]

3 hours ago, LordFall said:

Worrying about what the mainstream thinks about men and getting down over it is what's called failing the shit test. 

Its also called caring about the society you live in

[Natasha Tori Maru]

4 hours ago, Tenebroso said:

@Natasha Tori Maru The mainstream has already declared men as trash, stupid, undeveloped and predatory there is no concealing the many faults of men it comes up in every discussion on all platforms.

However, the same is not true for women we pretend as if women are bot at fault for anything, we pretend as if women have no agency despite never having as much choice in their relationships as they do now, supposedly possess this incredible intuition but all of that goes of the window when they inevitably end up with the wrong men, emotionally intelligent and great communicators but expect men to be mind readers and don't see the emotional labor it takes to deal with women.

This is simply algorithm lead rhetoric. It's doing you no good. It's signalling significant cognitive bias and placing you firmly in a powerless, victim mindset. There are some truths there, but they are insidiously woven in with unhealthy dynamics that do not speak to the truth of women. More generalisations to justify hatred.

It's aim is to castrate your power. 

Take it back and question all these narratives.

Edited yesterday at 09:41 PM by Natasha Tori Maru

[LordFall]

4 hours ago, Ulax said:

Its also called caring about the society you live in

Understanding the trends and being at the mercy of them emotionally are two different things. As a man looking to establish himself in life, gossip is the worst thing you can take in. It's basically like the lion caring about the venting of the sheep.

Learn to generate value until you have a surplus and then share it with great people you want to and you'll realize the gossip of the crowd doesn't really affect you much. To let it rob you of your power is a tragedy. 

Edited 21 hours ago by LordFall

[Ulax]

1 hour ago, LordFall said:

Understanding the trends and being at the mercy of them emotionally are two different things. As a man looking to establish himself in life, gossip is the worst thing you can take it. It's basically like the lion caring about the venting of the sheep.

Learn to generate value until you have a surplus and then share it with great people you want to and you'll realize the gossip of the crowd doesn't really affect you much. To let it rob you of your power is a tragedy. 

I get ya

[Spiral]

I would say feminism is generally more “advanced”, typically stage green. Although there are what you might call archetypal men’s groups that trend more towards stage yellow.

These however I’ve only seen in Scandinavia. Denmark primarily. A characteristic of these is that they don’t revolve around girls, women, sex, nor relationships. These topics are not allowed. It’s more about community and finding out who you are and what your role is in society. Your archetypes so to speak. Is that the manosphere? I’m not sure how to define it.

Process is central to these, with a focus on irl and gender segregated meetings

Edited 13 hours ago by Spiral

[gettoefl]

To be a man is to advertise being in lack. Woman means not-man in Hebrew. That is what he wants by virtue of saying he is man. I am incomplete.

No you identified wrongly. Stop manning up; instead be the god that you are. You need nothing because everything is yours without being owned.

[enchanted]

On 12/04/2026 at 1:06 PM, Lila9 said:

I agree with him that the elites are generally those who are responsible for this gender war, but who are the elites? Mostly rich white men, patriarchs.

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@Lila9I'm curious what you'd make of this Warren Farrell interview. You know the feminist literature really well, so I thought you might find this good-faith argument from a different angle interesting. Farrell challenges the usual idea that men 'hold all the power,' and his take is pretty different from what's normally discussed. I'm not sure if you've come across his perspective before.

This is only half the interview but it's still pretty good. The whole thing is on audible. I assume actualized.org fans are comfortable with longer videos.

[Lila9]

3 hours ago, enchanted said:

@Lila9I'm curious what you'd make of this Warren Farrell interview. You know the feminist literature really well, so I thought you might find this good-faith argument from a different angle interesting. Farrell challenges the usual idea that men 'hold all the power,' and his take is pretty different from what's normally discussed. I'm not sure if you've come across his perspective before.

This is only half the interview but it's still pretty good. The whole thing is on audible. I assume actualized.org fans are comfortable with longer videos.

I don’t agree that men and women have equal power in society.

He downplays the advantages men have. They hold much more political power and wealth than women. All the issues he describes men suffering from are because of patriarchy.

Patriarchy represses the humanity and wholeness of men so they will be submissive to it and maintain its structure, while at the same time giving men enough privilege to never question it.

I also don’t agree that society treats men as uniquely disposable. In a patriarchy, everyone is disposable except the rich and the powerful.

He also presents it as if a woman marrying a rich man is some kind of cheat code and a privilege men don’t have.

Do you know how difficult it is to marry a rich man? Rich men usually marry women from rich families.

Also, the average age of rich man is 60 years, which is neither relevant nor appealing to most younger women.

Even if a poor woman marries a rich man, he is very likely to treat her poorly and cheat on her because he can. He knows she is financially dependent on him.

Men complain about divorce and paying alimony because they lack accountability and basic care for their families, not because their families are irrationally angry at them due to feminism.

If a man’s wife and children angry at him, it is probably because he is a jerk to them. 

[enchanted]

12 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

I don’t agree that men and women have equal power in society.

He downplays the advantages men have. They hold much more political power and wealth than women. All the issues he describes men suffering from are because of patriarchy.

Patriarchy represses the humanity and wholeness of men so they will be submissive to it and maintain its structure, while at the same time giving men enough privilege to never question it.

I also don’t agree that society treats men as uniquely disposable. In a patriarchy, everyone is disposable except the rich and the powerful.

He also presents it as if a woman marrying a rich man is some kind of cheat code and a privilege men don’t have.

Do you know how difficult it is to marry a rich man? Rich men usually marry women from rich families.

Also, the average age of rich man is 60 years, which is neither relevant nor appealing to most younger women.

Even if a poor woman marries a rich man, he is very likely to treat her poorly and cheat on her because he can. He knows she is financially dependent on him.

Men complain about divorce and paying alimony because they lack accountability and basic care for their families, not because their families are irrationally angry at them due to feminism.

If a man’s wife and children angry at him, it is probably because he is a jerk to them. 

Ok fair enough you make good points (and I'm adult enough to admit this to others) , but do you think you downplay the successes, contributions, and advantages of patriarchy? It must exist for a reason right? 

12 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

I also don’t agree that society treats men as uniquely disposable. In a patriarchy, everyone is disposable except the rich and the powerful.

Exactly, so you agree with Warren that it's not a male issue but a class issue. It's difficult to blame men for societies problems when majority of men are suffering from the current system and by many metrics worse than women (like homelessness, mortality from violence and jobs, drugs use).

Evil women exist also right? So if the ruling class were all women but still evil nothing in society would change. Only evil people rise to the top and the most evil people in the world happen to have penises. So what? 

Edited 5 hours ago by enchanted

[QVx]

On 13/04/2026 at 0:08 PM, Leo Gura said:

Attraction is never wise or mature. It's just monkey hormones. So it works on everyone because everyone is a horny monkey. If you weren't a horny monkey you would hardly care to date.

You have to wonder why dating matters to you at all?

Just came to say I wholeheartedly agree. When I’m horny all I care about sex, when I have that need satisfied I am finally able to focus on giving the other person the love and attention they deserve.

Biology is tough.

[Lila9]

2 hours ago, enchanted said:

Ok fair enough you make good points (and I'm adult enough to admit this to others) , but do you think you downplay the successes, contributions, and advantages of patriarchy? It must exist for a reason right? 

What are they? Can you please elaborate?

2 hours ago, enchanted said:

Exactly, so you agree with Warren that it's not a male issue but a class issue. It's difficult to blame men for societies problems when majority of men are suffering from the current system and by many metrics worse than women (like homelessness, mortality from violence and jobs, drugs use).

No I don't agree with him and I honestly don't trust him, and his soft voice sounds not genuine.

He claims that he studied feminism for 10 years, but if he truly studied it, he would have understood that women experience gender-based oppression worldwide.

No need to open cards or read coffee grounds. This is clear to anyone who has eyes and ears.
Patriarchy is a cult of masculinity at the expense of femininity.

It sees masculinity, and men who symbolize it, as superior to femininity and women.
There are homeless women (even with children) too.

Women also experience mortality due to pregnancy complications and violent men, addictions and drug use, prostitution, and on top of that, unpaid domestic labor and a greater lack of safety than men experience, more chances of abusive and controlling relationships, rape, sexual harrasment, policing of our bodies, predujedies, the government can take the rights on our body at a whim while men rights on their bodies are never questioned. 

Women have to work twice as hard as men to get half of what they get.

Women experience more symptoms of depression and anxiety and mental illness. 

Women are taken less seriously by medical authorities.

 He tries to equalize the suffering of men and women to make men feel better so they buy his book or something.

This is not the same.

2 hours ago, enchanted said:

Evil women exist also right? So if the ruling class were all women but still evil nothing in society would change. Only evil people rise to the top and the most evil people in the world happen to have penises. So what? 

The issue is the repression of femininity.
As long as society represses femininity and feminine values, psychopathic men will keep ruling society.
Women can also be psychopathic and narcissistic, but those traits are more common in men, and even men who are born without those traits are socialized to imitate them and are punished by other men when they act in a more considerate and prosocial way.

I also recall that he clearly said that technology benefits women more than men and gave the washing machine and the vacuum cleaner as examples of technology that benefits women. Yes, it makes domestic labor somewhat easier, but it is still labor, unpaid labor.
Men would never do labor without getting paid.
This is why men hate doing domestic labor and look down on it.

Technology has always benefited, first and foremost, the men who created and sold it. And the rich and the privillaged, which are mostly men. 

He also said that women now have more options because of the pill, while men do not have any pill.

This is very inaccurate because a pill for men was created and tested.

Since many men complained about depression due to the pill, it was decided not to sell it.
The pill also causes depression and other health risks for women, yet it is still offered and sold to women.

This shows how society values men’s lives, bodily autonomy, and health more.

[enchanted]

1 hour ago, Lila9 said:

What are they? Can you please elaborate?

Well if the narrative that men control everything is true then everything around you - both good and bad- is created by men. But Farrel disagrees with this theory and suggestions women and the average man play a much more significant role in society than current narratives suggest. This demonstrates his background in feminism. 

Regarding your other points and arguments, they are one sided towards the female perspective. To truly get a grasp of this topic - which you are clearly very passionate about- I encourage you to explore the male perspective a little. If you think the male perspective is not worth exploring then that's your first clue you are missing a huge piece of the puzzle. 

Yes there's work to be done to improve the lives of people. Women are the only surpressed group that hold a majority at the polls. The next election women could change everything. 

Edited 49 minutes ago by enchanted