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[Scholar]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

When an OF whore explains all of existence to you, you may have a point.

Until then, keep dreamin.

I am pretty sure there are more OnlyFans and Pornstar spiritual girls than there are spiritual girls working at walmart.

[Something Funny]

4 minutes ago, Scholar said:

I am pretty sure there are more OnlyFans and Pornstar spiritual girls than there are spiritual girls working at walmart.

What are you even talking about? 

Give us one example of an ex pornstar spiritual teacher with an actual understanding of spirituality and not just crystals and new age fantazies?

[Cubbage]

23 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

When an OF whore explains all of existence to you, you may have a point.

Until then, keep dreamin.

I dated a semi-awakened OF girl for a while 😬

[Scholar]

15 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

Yes. Given the fact that women globally work twice as much as men and earn half of what men earn, using what you have as a young, beautiful woman as an opportunity to improve your survival situation is very rational.

It is also amusing that privileged men who have never been in their position criticize these women’s character rather than criticizing the society that set the conditions for it to begin with. And then those women are seen as the predators who are scamming poor men, rather than the true victims of the system they really are.

Men can do better. Young men should be held accountable for their lustful behavior and develop some character instead of consuming content that exploits the vulnerable position of women in society.

I don't believe it's healthy to make this about gender and exploitation. Human beings are animals, in the end, if you blame men, you blame individuals who have not be raised and educated correctly. A gooner in the end is a victim of a lack of proper integration of his sexuality because society doesn't even view that as an important part of raising a child. But sexuality is associated with so much shame (partly because we shame men for their lust and sexuality) that nobody is even capable of talking about these topics without it being extremely awkward to everyone involved.

And the reason is because sexuality is viewed as inherently corrupt and shameful. It's the one of the reasons why sex-work can be traumatizing and damaging to women. Not because showing your naked body inherently is psychologically damage, but because the mental constructs society has built around sexuality affect women even if they are convinced they do not care.

Just think of how absurd it is that we have so much concern for women and men in regards to their sexuality when the overall harms is almost entirely caused by actual exploitation and violation of peoples autonomy. The harm caused by the psychological effects of being a sex worker itself is minimal, negligable, if we compare it to something we consider completely trivial like obesity.

TikTok alone is orders of magnitudes more harmful to people's psychology than consensual, online sex work is to women (even if it is done entirely for money or attention). People just obsess over the most sublte of negative psychological effects in regards to sexual acts, but then completely neglect things that actually destroy peoples lifes and health in irrevocable ways.

[Lila9]

1 minute ago, Scholar said:

I don't believe it's healthy to make this about gender and exploitation. Human beings are animals, in the end, if you blame men, you blame individuals who have not be raised and educated correctly. A gooner in the end is a victim of a lack of proper integration of his sexuality because society doesn't even view that as an important part of raising a child. But sexuality is associated with so much shame (partly because we shame men for their lust and sexuality) that nobody is even capable of talking about these topics without it being extremely awkward to everyone involved.

Since we live in a patriarchal society built by men for men, with a majority of men holding power, I think that men are more responsible for teaching younger men to use their sexuality in a way that does not exploit women’s suffering.

Men are socialized to view sexuality and sex in such a distorted way that what brings them arousal is control, violence, and domination of female bodies (death and destruction) rather than raw eroticism (life and creativity).

There is no problem with sexuality per se, this is part of being human.

And I wish there were more healthy education about it, which society is lacking.

Yes, most people are like animals, but we should strive to do better to become human, for God’s sake.

[Scholar]

12 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

What are you even talking about? 

Give us one example of an ex pornstar spiritual teacher with an actual understanding of spirituality and not just crystals and new age fantazies?

As if anyone in our society would listen to an ex pornstar spiritual teacher. If someone did it, their career in porn was most likely anonymous. I mean even Leo keeps how he earned money before actualized.org a secret.

I'm sure if you google around you will find some. The point wasn't that people will do an actual actualized.org 2.0, most youtubers also won't be doing that. The point is that you can still have a life purpose while being an OnlyFans model or a former model. The stigma makes it more difficult, but there are plenty examples of women transitioning into various meaningful things. 

I'm too lazy to provide examples, just ask ChatGPT and it will give you a list.

[Scholar]

8 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

Since we live in a patriarchal society built by men for men, with a majority of men holding power, I think that men are more responsible for teaching younger men to use their sexuality in a way that does not exploit women’s suffering.

Men are socialized to view sexuality and sex in such a distorted way that what brings them arousal is control, violence, and domination of female bodies (death and destruction) rather than raw eroticism (life and creativity).

There is no problem with sexuality per se, this is part of being human.

And I wish there were more healthy education about it, which society is lacking.

Yes, most people are like animals, but we should strive to do better to become human, for God’s sake.

Patriarchal society isn't built for men, it is built for a select few men. Most men are exploited by partiarchy just as much as women are, just in different ways. 

The various asymmetries that exist between men and women do not make it any more healthy to frame the issue the way you do. It doesn't help men to shame them, to blame patriarchy on them. It leads to resentment, it leads to us neglecting the help young men need to actually be functional members of society. Feminism has completely failed men, if it had not, people like Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson wouldn't exist.

 

The approach you are suggesting has in my view proven itself to be ineffective.

Edited 8 hours ago by Scholar

[Eskilon]

43 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You basically are the equivalent of an OnlyFans whore.

Lmao I laughed at this. 

But it might actually be true, Leo's past might be full of devilry and uncousnciousness. Have his roots deep in hell sort of thing

[Something Funny]

@Scholar incredibly dumb take

[Lila9]

10 minutes ago, Scholar said:

Patriarchal society isn't built for men, it is built for a select few men. Most men are exploited by partiarchy just as much as women are, just in different ways. 

The various asymmetries that exist between men and women do not make it any more healthy to frame the issue the way you do. It doesn't help men to shame them, to blame patriarchy on them. It leads to resentment, it leads to us neglecting the help young men need to actually be functional members of society. Feminism has completely failed men, if it had not, people like Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson wouldn't exist.

 

The approach you are suggesting has in my view proven itself to be ineffective.

While men are definitely hurt by patriarchy, they are not exploited as much as women are. This is why they never call patriarchy out in the same way women do.

Feminists have never failed men in the way patriarchy has. People like Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson are the very men who harm and exploit men but point the finger at women and feminism only to distract them from this fact.

 

[Scholar]

11 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

While men are definitely hurt by patriarchy, they are not exploited as much as women are. This is why they never call patriarchy out in the same way women do.

Feminists have never failed men in the way patriarchy has. People like Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson are the very men who harm and exploit men but point the finger at women and feminism only to distract them from this fact.

 

Feminist did fail young men, if they had not, young men would now be healthy individuals who love feminism. If you want to be a progressive movement, you have to take responsibility for your failure in inclusion. You are the future, if you have failed to integrate young men into your movement, it is on your movement to correct that.

Blaming men more will not help. Feminists already do, and young men are disgusted by it. Why would a young man listen to a feminist who blames them for all the problems in the world rather than an Andrew Tate type who will give them free reign and actually get them results in life. Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate, as sad as it is, give young men advice that gives them at least some results. Feminists do not do so, they are more interested in moralizing and intellectual circling jerking. Why do you have to repeat the mistakes of former institutions. Did shaming and blaming work out for Christianity in modernity? Nobody wants to be shamed, it doesn't work anymore because everyone can simply choose their ingroup on the internet.

You can't stop patriarchy if you don't understand young men and boys. If your society has no resilience against people like Andrew Tate, there is something seriously wrong with your society.

If you want men to act more responsibly, you have to integrate their identity into the collective. Shaming and blaming will not do anything.

 

Imagine you were a mother and you treated your boy the way feminists treat boys. "You are to blame for everything, it's your responsibility! Don't be a disgusting pig!"

This is pure toxicity. If you want your boy to be a good person who cares about others, you need to actually nurture those virtues in him in such a way that it becomes part of his identity in a positive way. You encourage him, you built his character. It takes a lot of work. You can't circumvent this work by just blaming the boy and shaming him for acting out.

Edited 7 hours ago by Scholar

[Lila9]

9 minutes ago, Scholar said:

Feminist did fail young men, if they had not, young men would now be healthy individuals who love feminism. If you want to be a progressive movement, you have to take responsibility for your failure in inclusion. You are the future, if you have failed to integrate young men into your movement, it is on your movement to correct that.

Blaming men more will not help. Feminists already do, and young men are disgusted by it. Why would a young man listen to a feminist who blames them for all the problems in the world rather than an Andrew Tate type who will give them free reign and actually get them results in life. Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate, as sad as it is, give young men advice that gives them at least some results. Feminists do not do so, they are more interested in moralizing and intellectual circling jerking. Why do you have to repeat the mistakes of former institutions. Did shaming and blaming work out for Christianity in modernity? Nobody wants to be shamed, it doesn't work anymore because everyone can simply choose their ingroup on the internet.

You can't stop patriarchy if you don't understand young men and boys. If your society has no resilience against people like Andrew Tate, there is something seriously wrong with your society.

If you want men to act more responsibly, you have to integrate their identity into the collective. Shaming and blaming will not do anything.

Feminism is not a movement that is built on blaming men; this is a very shallow view.
For most, it is a movement for gender equality. It is not ideal, of course, and is always evolving. It criticizes the patriarchy and strict gender roles, and it expects more accountability from men as a group with more power.

Men don't listen to feminists because of misogyny and because of the shame in realizing how brainwashed they were by patriarchy, how much harm it caused them as individuals and how much harm they caused because of it. This shame should motivate them to be better people rather than killing the messenger (women and feminists). Killing the messenger and blaming it is the most coward and low conscious thing to do. 

Feminists can't decide for men or do the work for them to become better men, this is up to them.

Edited 7 hours ago by Lila9

[AION]

From God’s point of view it doesn’t matter if you are an OnlyFans bimbo or an actualized saint. 

Edited 7 hours ago by AION

[lostingenosmaze]

1 hour ago, Eskilon said:

Lmao I laughed at this. 

But it might actually be true, Leo's past might be full of devilry and uncousnciousness. Have his roots deep in hell sort of thing

I mean, that's basically his advice if you wanna build enough capital to have a chance at success and become financially independent. It's an unfortunate necessity you gotta do a little survival and corruption in this hyper-capitalistic system, like Leo did with his blackhat search optimization schemes.

Edited 6 hours ago by lostingenosmaze

[r0ckyreed]

3 hours ago, Scholar said:

I am pretty sure there are more OnlyFans and Pornstar spiritual girls than there are spiritual girls working at walmart.

It’s fake spirituality. Leo add this to the list of examples of Fake Spirituality. OF is so unconscious that no awakened person would do it. They obviously weren’t awakened enough to exit the OF Matrix. It’s no different than Connor Murphy’s “spirituality”. 

Edited 5 hours ago by r0ckyreed

[Terell Kirby]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

When an OF whore explains all of existence to you, you may have a point.

Until then, keep dreamin.

Would be a good movie script:

Miracles Do Happen: From OF to Enlightened Sage