Breaking News: Major Combat Operations in Iran 🇺🇸 🇮🇱 🇮🇷

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[LordFall]

@Hatfort None of these countries have a morality police nor have killed thousands of their own protesting citizens. If you're standing up for the corrupt regime of Iran that's gonna be a high standard of argumentation. 

[Hatfort]

34 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

I hope this turns out to be a real political gift for the Democrats in the 2026 midterms and the 2028 presidential election.

It should be, even a lot of MAGAs oppose this nonsensical war, one or their talking points was that Trump was pro-peace, which a lot of us knew it was bullshit, but now it's all in the air. Going to war without the approval of congress is a major offense, impeachable 100%, and not for a sexual scandal like himself last time, or Clinton in the 90s, quite a more serious matter. Some still defend him though. I'm not entirely sure this fascist won't try to withhold the midterms some way.

He's the name that most appeared in the Epstein files, his friend for years, and admitted to a journalist that his age limit was 13. We know he's the main person they redacted. The war is number one in current affairs, but nobody will forget the Epstein files, no way.

[Hatfort]

Just now, LordFall said:

@Hatfort None of these countries have a morality police nor have killed thousands of their own protesting citizens. If you're standing up for the corrupt regime of Iran that's gonna be a high standard of argumentation. 

What were legit peaceful protests, turned into violent riots, murdering unarmed officers and civilians, burning institutions, and intentionally producing chaos to destabilize the government. That was backed by the Mosad, they admitted it themselves, and sure the CIA too. Any government should react to something like this, the US included. CIA destabilization playbook 101.

The total death toll I think it was about 3000, which is a lot, but this includes officers and the civilians that the violent rioters killed. We gotta believe the ones that denied high victim numbers in a Gaza bombarded into rubble for months, they say 40.000 were killed in Iran without evidence? Bullshit, usual Western propaganda, gone beyond.

People manifested in favor of the government after these events by hundreds of thousands, against the violent protestors, and of course they are manifesting in favor of the assassinated Ayatollah right now in hundreds of thousands again, although the propaganda media won't show it. They'll show ridiculous Sah defenders of America.

[LordFall]

@Hatfort The number of 3000 deaths is false data by the regime. The death toll has been confirmed up to 7000 and could be as high as 30 000. 

Plenty of Iranians have been seen celebrating the death of the Ayatollah and literally doing the trump dance on the streets. The CIA/Mossad helped the protests go on but they are protesting a dictatorial authoritarian regime that doesn't let ideological opponents campaign in their country. Saying that Iran has free elections is a crazy take. 

[Hatfort]

23 minutes ago, LordFall said:

@Hatfort The number of 3000 deaths is false data by the regime. The death toll has been confirmed up to 7000 and could be as high as 30 000. 

Plenty of Iranians have been seen celebrating the death of the Ayatollah and literally doing the trump dance on the streets. The CIA/Mossad helped the protests go on but they are protesting a dictatorial authoritarian regime that doesn't let ideological opponents campaign in their country. Saying that Iran has free elections is a crazy take. 

That they hold free elections is not a take, is a fact. Pezenshky was the moderate candidate that won last time. 

The only source that has provided names is 3000, and includes the not identified ones about 100. The others, US based or UN could be from anywhere, have not provided names or any evidence, neither the ones that are listed as verified. Provide the names or evidence and they'll be included. And they go from 6.000 to 40.000, bullshit. Again, the same sources that deny the high numbers of a Gaza turned into rubble for months. Western propaganda war as usual.

Edited 12 hours ago by Hatfort

[Rafael Thundercat]

Bibi Interview 

Of course, of course if full of deception and lies. 

[LordFall]

5 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Bibi Interview 

Of course, of course if full of deception and lies. 

Which part of what he said do you think is demonstrably false? 

[zazen]

Man hats off to Jiang for this prediction of if it comes to it ie boots on the ground:

[Lyubov]

7 hours ago, Hardkill said:

I hope this turns out to be a real political gift for the Democrats in the 2026 midterms and the 2028 presidential election.

I mean they kinda of aren’t exactly against this …. Dems are basically keeping their heads low and letting trump do the dirty work but most of them are Zionist funded and support Israel. Only the progressive lot like Bernie have spoken out against bombing Iran. Really the Bernie camp are just too developed for the rest of the country. 

[Ash55]

15 hours ago, Lila9 said:

I’m safe, thank you. This is much appreciated.

Luckily, I have a protective space to go to. I also do yoga and breathwork to calm my nervous system down.

@Lila9 am glad you are doing okay, I do yoga too to energies my day and relax, stay safe my friend

[Breakingthewall]

13 hours ago, Hatfort said:

Iran can make its own commercial and political decisions

Sure, but those political decisions include expanding its area of influence, financing terrorism and guerrilla groups like Hezbollah, Hamas, the Polisario Front in Morocco, and basically anything that weakens its Sunni enemies, making it an aggressive actor trying to dominate the region. So it's normal that other countries do the same and that clashes occur.

According to you, the Iranian regime is legitimate and the other Arab regimes and Israel are not. Well, that's your opinion. The reality is that in that region, what matters isn't who is more legitimate, but who is stronger. 

Seems that for you irán and everyone who fights again the great Satan is noble and fair, in Iran they celebrate free elections, Hamas are noble fighters, etc. Well, it's a way to see it, but it's not very objetive. If you listen other people who's in than frequency, you are in a echo chamber and in a giving moment you could think that the ayatollah regime is a feminist democracy that is in poverty due the Americans and bibi 

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[zazen]

19 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

If a global power controls the economy in great stent, and you're a weak country with resources, and your core values are hatred of that power and the disappearance of its ally as a nation, you risk this kind of thing. The US doesn't steal oil from Saudi Arabia or the UAE; in fact, they sell a large portion of their oil to China.

The key word there is weak. A countries behaviour is mostly downstream from its position and profile (strengths and weaknesses). If you have the strength to fight for and keep your own sovereignty and autonomy you do so or attempt to. Small gulf nations ruled by families made the deal to abdicate some autonomy in exchange for their own stability and security - because their small/vulnerable compared to the neighbors in the region. In exchange they allowed military basing and loyalty to the petro dollar. The issue with that is that you get sucked into the geopolitics of that superpower even if it doesn't favor you - you become a pawn with less say say in matters because your survival now depends on the power you outsourced it to - just see whats now happening and what happened to Ukraine who was flirting with NATO on the border of Russia.

19 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

But what a global power won't tolerate is a direct challenge sustained for decades. What would be Iran's problem if it recognized Israel, engaged in dialogue with the US, and acknowledged them as partners? Simply an identity crisis. 

You could say: the US is a state that steals resources from other states, leaving them in poverty. But this isn't true. If Iran were to cooperate, its economy would improve. The problem is that many Muslim countries base their identity on direct confrontation. Without it, their identity collapses.

Countries which have the means to resist capitulation do so. I know you have a hate boner for Islam but it's not solely about some religous identity crisis per se - it's basic human dignity and yes with a religious narrative overlayed on top that gives spiritual strength to it, but the base is human. Why did South American countries resist Western imperialism despite them not being Muslim? Why did Venezuela? 

The issue is that imperial empires don't want cooperation but capitulation. Just look - Maduro was willing to ''cooperate'' and open his resources to Western corporations: 

 

Homeboy still got plucked out like a flower. Because the entitlement and arrogance of the imperial minded demand capitulation not cooperation.

Next example - what happened when Russia cooperated with the West after the fall of the USSR and under Yeltsin? IMF shock therapy via privatization that lead to chaos out of which Putin emerged to stabilise things with a hard fist. Russia still operates with that past in mind.

China also has a past experience with Western imperialism (century of humiliation and opium wars) and Iran who wanted to nationalize its oil under Mossadegh. All these countries have experiences that shape their posture today to prevent the same experiences ever happening again. ''WhY dOn'T tHeY JuSt CoOpErAtE''

Iran literally cooperated and achieved the JCPOA that was then torn up by the US unilaterally. They were surprise attacked last year during negotiations, and again this year AFTER massive cooperation and concessions on nuclear:

Westerners bemoan why Russia China are gaining more influence in Africa  - because they actually cooperate like civilized nations not demanding capitulation. Respect is given and earned, with little moral finger wagging.

The Western imperial mindset and its flawed foreign policy is a result of its own entitlement and arrogance. Anyone's independence anywhere, is a threat to there supremacy everywhere.

This is the same reason why it’s unable to see or accept that another country may have its own interests or security concerns ie red lines. This blindness to the ''other'' is what caused Russia's red lines being crossed resulting in Ukraine, Iran's red lines being crossed resulting in the current show, and what could cause China's red line being crossed in the future if this arrogance continues.

Other countries and cultures have their own civilizational identity and path of developing that shouldn't continuously be sabotaged by external pressure of containment. The West talks about liberal values being universal as if other peoples don't have them and are backward for not living up to them - but these are simply common values that are lived up to depending on the stage a countries in. During early phases of stability and security other values take a central role - its phase dependent.

The West had its 2-3 centuries of colonialism that externalized chaos and allowed for the geopolitical luxury of riches and stability that allowed them to liberalize a lot more and live up to those aspirational values better. This is being sabotaged for other countries due to geopolitics and empire - and then those countries are continuously judged for not being ''liberal democracies''. Not all countries are even supposed to or will look the same as Western liberal democracies either and that's fine.

15 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then , since there was a Western-backed coup in 1953, amidst the tensions of the Cold War. Twenty-six years later, when Iran had a flourishing economy and a developing liberal society, the ayatollahs staged a coup, establishing an Islamic theocracy.

The reason for this was the coup that had occurred 26 years earlier. So why didn't they reinstate democracy? Let me guess: because America Satan 

We shouldn't glaze the Western model of governance - there are other ways of structuring society and having legitimacy. China has performance legitimacy, the West has procedural legitimacy. We have elected officials that often result in low approval whilst the middle class gets hollowed out by oligarch overlords each election cycle -  we put up with it because we believe in the procedure of elections being able to change outcomes. ''Maduro and Ayotollah have low approval so we must regime change them'' yeah so does my own prime minister Keir Starmer with record lows - should we now call the US ''democracy as a service subscription'' for regime change to take him out just like Maduro lol 

China maintains its legitimacy by its performance - lifting 800 million out of poverty in a matter of decades and checking the excesses of oligarchs, whilst in the West they are their own center of power parallel to the state and thus able to divert the national interest towards their very own interests. Western libs complain about this whilst simultaneously complaining about China not being ''liberally democratic'' when it disciplines its own oligarchs for crossing lines not in the national interest. Self defeating and utopian. Liberalism can't do the sometimes seemingly ''illiberal'' actions to protect the liberty of its own people.

This isn't that simple and black and white - for example many people wouldn't call Singapore democracy but a hybrid of sorts. Again like I said earlier - what it takes to nation build in early stages matters and differs from how a country becomes later on its development once its secured stability:

This guy was a badass. Real civilization and nation building should be left to the adults, not utopian progressives with childish one dimensional views about freedom and ''values'' who stand on the shoulders of nation builders who had to do the hard things to get them to their place of privilege from which they morally posture:

Most systems have their own guardian council equivalent to maintain some form of continuation and stability not to be left to the whims of the masses or the ballot box. It's unwise to leave certain decisions to the masses who are unwise - because wisdom doesn't scale. Discern-ocracy - those of discernment need to make certain decisions which can have outsized impact on the country and its trajectory. The issue is always how to filter for those who have discernment.

 The EU itself is a hybrid - the commission for example is entirely unelected. US presidential candidates are selected by capital and lobbying before being ''democratically elected'' by the demos / people. The filtering process and options are curated by capital, whilst in Iran they are curated by its own process which is more sophisticated than Western projection would care to study. Same with China's system.

The question after being the Islamic revolution was how to have democratic elections without leaving yourself exposed to the exact foreign manipulation that couped you in 1953. So they built a hybrid dual system.

Hard times due to external geopolitics only entrenches hardliners and sabotages organic reform and development. Perhaps allow countries breathing room to develop on their own path. Countries can be internally bad (repressive etc) whilst also understandably be trying to navigate a geopolitical order under which their constrained.

Edited 1 hour ago by zazen