Only 2 Personalities Can Awaken

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@AtmanIsBrahman that was quick 🙂

[Michal__]

Also, spiral dynamics don't really fit with Buddha and Jesus too.

What would Jesus be? Blue-turqoise?????

[HelluvaGuy]

Haha, the sweet irony of the T types trying to logic their way through it all.

The pure ecstasy and joy of pure being the F types experience will forever remain inaccessible for thee. 

[Sincerity]

23 minutes ago, HelluvaGuy said:

Haha, the sweet irony of the T types trying to logic their way through it all.

The pure ecstasy and joy of pure being the F types experience will forever remain inaccessible for thee. 

Hell yeah 

[theleelajoker]

3 hours ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

Looking back at this post, I’m no longer convinced INTJ and INTP are most likely to awaken. It may be more about something different from personality, something like “depth of soul” if that makes sense.

Personality is something that belong to an illusory identity. It’s not the personality that awakens

Yeah cudos for starting the discussion with a hypothesis and then integrating new information so quickly 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, HelluvaGuy said:

Haha, the sweet irony of the T types trying to logic their way through it all.

The pure ecstasy and joy of pure being the F types experience will forever remain inaccessible for thee. 

I hope this is like, for the lols, yeah? Cos T over F does not mean anything like that is experienced 🙂

Both types feel and think just as much, and with the same depth. The function just describes how you are more likely to make decisions. 

[Hojo]

Personalities are strange to me. I dont know if they have anything to do with the body or life experiences. They might be entirely spiritual. The body might allow experession of the personality but if you got alzeihmers theres no saying that the person dosent have the same personality but the body isnt allowing it the soul to express the personality.

Edited 8 hours ago by Hojo

[HelluvaGuy]

55 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I hope this is like, for the lols, yeah? Cos T over F does not mean anything like that is experienced 🙂

Both types feel and think just as much, and with the same depth. The function just describes how you are more likely to make decisions. 

Well, MBTI is indeed limited in this framework. These things are hard to measure. Though I think it's an empirical reality that people in general do not experience emotions or phenomena with the same levels of depth or intensity. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, HelluvaGuy said:

Well, MBTI is indeed limited in this framework. These things are hard to measure. Though I think it's an empirical reality that people in general do not experience emotions or phenomena with the same levels of depth or intensity. 

T vs F still has nothing to do with how much one thinks or feels. Or the depth. Changing the goalposts there. Your point is completely seperate.

A feeler does not feel more than a thinker. A thinker does not think more than a feeler.

[vibv]

But please don't confuse the map for the territory.

Those models are in the end just that—models. At best they're able to expand one's perspective, but they shouldn't be held as some kind of definitive truth.

Those personality type stuff discussions are way too shallow for my taste.

Edited 5 hours ago by vibv

[Carl-Richard]

I don't think being a systematizer is the best or even a good predictor for awakening. The best predictors I can think of is being obsessive, open, sensitive to subtlety and detail, and a bit neurotic or manic combined with being creative (your mind flies fast, it tests a lot of strategies, and you're not emotionally at ease, because then you won't seek something better).

I think being a systematizer or feeler is a better predictor for what your challenges will be when awakening or for discovering awakening. Systematizers will have to deal with over-intellectualizing awakening and being stuck in their mind, not grasping it experientially. Feelers will (probably) have the issue of being less moveable if they are in the wrong boat (not identified with awakening): you'll (probably) have less leverage to lift someone out of a feelings/value-based perspective, be it personal values (Fi) or group values (Fe).

Edited 4 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Carl-Richard]

17 hours ago, Terell Kirby said:

The map is not the territory. I will contemplate the following:

• How are personality tests conformity?
• What are the limits of personality test?
• How do personality tests limit one's Intelligence?
• How can personality tests be used to reinforce self biases?

 

That is the most LeoGPT comment I've ever read probably ever.

[Leo Gura]

LeoGPT:

Contemplate the following: How can the Devil use personality tests to fuck me?

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[HelluvaGuy]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

T vs F still has nothing to do with how much one thinks or feels. Or the depth. Changing the goalposts there. Your point is completely seperate.

A feeler does not feel more than a thinker. A thinker does not think more than a feeler.

My estimation is a loose connection does exist. But maybe I'm wrong. 

[Xonas Pitfall]

8 hours ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

Looking back at this post, I’m no longer convinced INTJ and INTP are most likely to awaken. It may be more about something different from personality, something like “depth of soul” if that makes sense.

Personality is something that belong to an illusory identity. It’s not the personality that awakens

18 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Because Unity of Mind is Love! When you are seeing and eliminating double-standards and bias from within your own mind you are literally healing your mind and getting closer to God. God is a fully healed Mind!

Also notice the beauty of this example. The beauty of a genuine apology and self-recognition of wrongness. You should not wait for others to point out your bias to you, you should catch it yourself. That is epistemic responsibility. That is how a commitment to truth heals your mind, your life, your self.

We are witnessing Love, Beauty, Union, Non-Bias! 💗🤗

[Xonas Pitfall]

19 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Except personality type does not capture other crucial aspects of this work like the tendency for effortless mystical experience or baseline state of consciousness. These factors are far more important than personality.

Someone like a Jesus didn't get there through personality but mystical experience.

Personality may be a red herring.

I also retract my past statement, even more Love, Beauty, Union, Non-Bias, & Openness! 🤗💗

[vibv]

11 minutes ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

I also retract my past statement, even more Love, Beauty, Union, Non-Bias, & Openness! 🤗💗

Dissent is Love, too.

It's confrontation of perspectives that seem to be irreconcilable with each other where it gets real interesting.

[Xonas Pitfall]

2 minutes ago, vibv said:

Dissent is Love, too.

It's confrontation of perspectives that seem to be irreconcilable with each other where it gets real interesting.

Absolutely!
Sometimes the most Loving move is to accept, especially when your position is weak, unproven, or shown to be wrong. Other times, the more Loving and intelligent response is to double down, particularly when you sense that something untrue is still lingering beneath apparent agreement.

Union and division are both mechanisms for reaching Truth. When alignment is real, deepening unity makes sense. When alignment is built on falsehood, division becomes necessary so truth can emerge.

[vibv]

10 minutes ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

Absolutely!
Sometimes the most Loving move is to accept, especially when your position is weak, unproven, or shown to be wrong. Other times, the more Loving and intelligent response is to double down, particularly when you sense that something untrue is still lingering beneath apparent agreement.

Union and division are both mechanisms for reaching Truth. When alignment is real, deepening unity makes sense. When alignment is built on falsehood, division becomes necessary so truth can emerge.

[Joseph Maynor]

22 hours ago, Joshe said:

I think the majority of awakened masters are INFJ, which has lead Ni, just like INTJ except they have Fe instead of Te. Lead Ni seems to be the main thing. 

Thanks!  I'm an INFJ.  This is what I secretly think too lol.  Just kidding, sort of.