Leo's DemystifySci Podcast Appearance

[Joshe]

Just now, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Wow, WHAT! 

Not even 'up the duff" ?

(preggers)

No idea what that means. lol 

[r0ckyreed]

It’s going to vary for each individual but the basics of handling immediate trauma are:

1. Establish physical safety first. Do whatever you can do to cover physical safety. Take back control over your environment and change it so you can feel safe. 

2. Grounding skills - Techniques you can do to calm your nervous system and facilitate present-moment awareness.

- meditation

- sensory grounding (essential to engage the senses)

- nature exposure

- self-hypnosis

- physical anchoring (moving your body to bring awareness to your body and give mind temporary relief)

3. Distraction techniques when emotions become too intense. This is where your Tetris or other games come in. The goal is to redirect attention to something neutral or non-threatening to let your nervous system recover.

4. Social support and professional services

5. Good Self-Care rituals

- gym, meditation, diet, sleep, sauna, nature exposure, gratitude journaling, etc.

6. Self-Compassion, positive thought-looping, reframing, etc.

7. Allowing yourself to mindfully reflect and contemplate. I recommend doing this step last because most people spiral instead of reflecting. If reflecting is too intense, then go back to mastering previous steps.

Edited 4 hours ago by r0ckyreed

[Carl-Richard]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If you are worried about whether I have trauma, I don't. All my personal history is resolved and irrelevant now.

You are so full of bullshit, you know that?

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

You are so full of bullshit, you know that?

Watch your projections.

[Someone here]

20 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

You are so full of bullshit, you know that?

You and UnbornTao are getting used to Leo. 

You don't have to do it this way, you know that ?

[Someone here]

Also while we are at it and this is completey off topic but I want to express this. Carl and my buddy UnbornTao are really getting used to Leo. I sense a lot of arrogance in their writing .I mean they are brilliant but tone down the "too cool for school " thingy with Leo.  He has no time to post neat language stuff so he just speaks in a language that a kid can understands .like imagine the pressure he has to mod a bunch of kids basically and handle trolls and create content etc.

Another thing which I have to spit publicly is Natasha is too rigid. She says its not personal but that she tries to keep a healthy atmosphere and high quality discourses between members. But I do think sometimes she takes it personally. She erases almost any comments targeted at her with cristism. She is over-moding. Nothing personal against her or Carl or anyone but I'm not satisfied with this behaviour in all honesty . Just expressing myself. 

[Joseph Maynor]

3 hours ago, Someone here said:

 After you awaken deepley..All parts of you will improve. It's amazing 
how it works. You stop seeing evil. First you stop seeing evil in yourself, you sort of forgive yourself for all of your mistakes. It's like being born again and then you can forgive 

I'm not sure I agree with you that when one awakens deeply they stop seeing evil.  Again, this is the moral question.  I guess the assumption is that only egos can see right and wrong, there are no egos, thus there is no right and wrong.  QED.  This seems a little too cute to me.

[Joshe]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

Carl and my buddy UnbornTao are really getting used to Leo. I sense a lot of arrogance in their writing .

What do you mean by "getting used to Leo"? Please don't let the below derail from answering this question. I'm curious what you mean by "getting used to Leo". 

It's only natural for people to be drawn here by Leo's wisdom and to then, after years, coming to have enough experience such that one feels confident in making their own assessments. People are entitled to their own opinions and own sensemaking. Why would this make you defensive? Do you believe Leo's wisdom is so high that the likes of Unborn Tao and Carl simply can't touch it and they should just default to intellectual subservience or assume they're missing something, even after years of serious work and experience here? 

Leo is a human bro. He is fallible. For instance, he doesn't seem to understand the mechanics of his own narcissism. Which is fine - I discover new things about my own ignorant ego seemingly on a quarterly basis. I can tell Leo is cool as shit. Funny as hell. But that doesn't mean he knows everything about everything and that none of us can correct him. In fact, Leo would get a ton more respect if he'd open himself up to that from time to time.

Edited 1 hour ago by Joshe

[Leo Gura]

21 minutes ago, Joshe said:

they should just default to intellectual subservience

No one is asking for that.

However, there is an attitude that the most advanced things I teach have been understood and surpassed. This is self-deception and it turns into an arrogant attitude which is often displayed here. As above.

Be very careful of the things you guys assume about me. You do not understand me nor the most advanced things I teach.

Think for yourselves, but be careful not to hang yourself on that rope, as many before you have. Every year I see another smart-ass here who thinks he's outsmarted me and he inevitably turns out wrong.

Be much more epistemically careful. That is all. You are confidently concluding things about my level of trauma, which is insane. You have no understanding of my mind at all. Have the intelligence to not-know at the very least, if you don't want to believe me. But to think that you can come in here and psychoanalyze me successfully is beyond delusional. You have no idea the intellect you are dealing with. You still think you can play human games with me and win. This is a big mistake.

Think for yourselves, but don't be stupid. What I've noticed over the years is that people start thinking for themselves but then slowly over the years end up deluding themselves because they don't have a deep enough epistemic foundation to think properly. They start making all sorts of assumptions, projections, conclusions, etc. In short, they become impossible to teach because they've convinced themselves they've figured everything out. Which is a sick joke. And they commit the gravest error of all, which is trying to undermine what I teach.

Edited 1 hour ago by Leo Gura

[Someone here]

17 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I'm not sure I agree with you that when one awakens deeply they stop seeing evil.  Again, this is the moral question.  I guess the assumption is that only egos can see right and wrong, there are no egos, thus there is no right and wrong.  QED.  This seems a little too cute to me.

Look at it like this. There is always a million things to complain about in your life .you jump out of one hardship to the next. That's life . Anyone suggesting otherwise is fooling himself. 

The point is there is a logical reason for being hurt if you did experience sexual abuse as a child . My point is this : fuck logic .fuck your past . Forgive the person who raped you .It's a choice of choosing happiness instead of misery. Assume you were abused in childhood..so what are you going to do ? The past is the past. Can't change that .but you can change your present and future . What are you going to do ? Crawl up in a corner for the rest of life ? That's no good life . You realize within yourself first that you are unconditional love . You then forgive others no matter how badly they hurt you .that's the teaching of Jesus right?  But when I say it why is it implausible to you ? Maybe because you enjoy crawling up in a corner and crying ? Fine .you do you .

[Someone here]

10 minutes ago, Joshe said:

What do you mean by "getting used to Leo"?

Like flat out insulting him like Carl's comment above without providing more context . Why should that be done ?

Listen . Please stop .let's not derail the topic and create drama . 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Always assumptions and inferences.

Every time.

People trust their intuitive leaps more than the evidence presented before them.

[Joshe]

3 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Like flat out insulting him like Carl's comment above without providing more context . Why should that be done ?

Listen . Please stop .let's not derail the topic and create drama . 

Maybe I'm not attune to the social dynamics, but the way I see it, peers can disagree and call each other bullshitters without it being a big deal. It's just like saying "you're full of shit bro", and it not being an attack. But maybe I'm not attune to the dynamics.

Also, this topic has gone stale. We're free to be human, lol, relax. 

[Joshe]

13 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

However, there is an attitude that the more advanced things I teach have been understood and surpassed. This is self-deception and it turns into an arrogant attitude.

It's like alpha male chimps jockeying for position. 😂

[Someone here]

13 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Maybe I'm not attune to the social dynamics, but the way I see it, peers can disagree and call each other bullshitters without it being a big deal. It's just like saying "you're full of shit bro", and it not being an attack. But maybe I'm not attune to the dynamics.

Also, this topic has gone stale. We're free to be human, lol, relax. 

OK maybe every once in a while ...Maybe providing further explanation why he thinks this is full of shit ..maybe adding a friendly emoji to ensure that we are just friends at the same level . 

The other thing is this is not the first time. They both troll Leo a lot .and yes the bottom line is obviously Leo is more developed than them and us . So does that mean this is a cult or echochamber ? No. But Leo is the "head coach ". We are "students ". Logically it must follow we treat him with humble. In a reasonable way ofc.

Edited 1 hour ago by Someone here

[Terell Kirby]

37 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Think for yourselves, but don't be stupid.

^ Would be a great bumper sticker 

[Leo Gura]

I swear, people are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Obviously simply believing me is wrong. However, in this work when you start thinking for yourself, you have a serious risk of derailing your train into a ditch. You have to be extremely careful thinking for yourself.

People take the notion of "thinking for yourself" and then within a couple of years they are lost in delusion-land.

Thinking for yourself is like disarming a nuclear bomb. You better know what the hell you're doing.

I am here to help keep people on track. But then they think they have outsmarted me and stop listening. It's a deep problem with no easy answer, because obviously you can't just treat me as an ultimate authority. You have to be able to question me without turning stupid.

It is possible to outsmart me, but if you think you've done it, I encourage you to think again. People who think they've outsmarted me usually end up making fools of themselves.

Be careful relating to me too casually. I am very casual in my communications. But this creates an false sense that you will outsmart me. If I was a professor at Harvard you would relate to me with a lot more seriousness. But you are dealing with a greater intelligence than that here. Be careful underestimating it.

I can't save you from yourself.

Edited 36 minutes ago by Leo Gura