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I'm not sure what you mean by rigidity here. For me it just means that there's a certain logic in the unfolding of Reality/Spirit. The logic is basically the 12 tenets of evolution as explained by Wilber in SES. Every holon - whether psychological or not, exists in a holarchy. There can't be woldcentrism without it being built on lower holons of socio-/groupcentrism etc. Can't have cells before atoms. I think those are the somewhat rigid deep structures. And the "atoms and cells" can form infinite kinds of shallow structures.

I think the problem of rigid structures is fixed with the distinction of deep vs. surface structures. Deep structures are those basic capacities of a given stage. Green deep structure is the ability to handle woldcentric perspectives etc. But it can show up as different kinds of surface manifestations based on cultural and societal backgrounds. How deep vs. shallow any given holon is, can be assessed based on e.g how novel it is historically. Blue is way more deep than Green. And the leading edge is always finding its form. Wilber doesn't see the stages as a Platonic pre-given constructs waiting to be found, but as a Spirit evolving and unfolding in all the quadrants.

If I remember correctly, his view was more like that the "mean green"/cultural postmodernism, which is sceptical towards Truth-claims, makes a fertile culture for a Trump-like actors to grow and gain popularity in. He criticizes cultural stage green for its lack of leadership and constructive agency. So Trump is not Green himself, but at least partly a product of (pathologically) Green cultural movement. Wilber seems to think that the leading edge of cultural development (Green meme) should assume the responsibility to lead society forward, and in doing so, be able to inspire and include everyone on that mission, which seems to not be the case. I'm not saying there's no allergies towards Green mixed in there too, but the overall argument seemed quite reasonable for me.

@integration journeyYeah, it's a must read if you are serious about spirituality - especially mysticism. There's a lot of important details of the dysfunctions and pathologies of the higher states/stages.

Text for sure! Or both, especially if there's some of your juicy insights along with the video.

Yeah... fair enough.

According to Jamie Wheal, there are bunch of silicon valley entrepreneurs and such who use psychedelics and meditative practices to enhance creativity and productivity etc. While this isn't mystical in any metaphysical sense, could this be concidered something like Orange mysticism? At Orange, one could see creative business operations as a spiritual practice, I suppose.

Stage Red "strongman" could be a legitimate leader in a specific chaotic Stage Red society, but that's not something suited in the context of American- or international political contexts. That's just pure regression. Majority of people globally and in America are somewhere between Blue and Orange, not Red. And again, like Leo said above, Trump would not even be an effective Stage Red dictator, even if there was a legitimacy for that in American context. I think USA, and in large part, the whole world is having a some sort of legitimation crisis. What America (and world) needs is a political transformation - more authentic (developed) leaders and cultural meaning-making systems. The world is chaotic right now, there are conflicts and environmental issues etc., but Trump is not the one who can provide wholeness to that chaos. Trump is just a ego-backlash to that legitimation crisis.

Yeah, thats why I said "is this a good way to conceptualize it", not "is this the correct explanation" of said phenomena.

Would Bernardo Kastrup's filter hypothesis be a good way to conceptualize this? So the brain/body is a filtering or localisation mechanism inside the mind at large (God). The brain localizes Infinite consciousness, leading to a finite and specific perspective or form/structure of consciousness. So according to this, the genes do have a derivative relationship with intelligence and potential for development of the individual filtered mind, but they are still a construction of the "mind at large".

What are the positive and negative consequences, or virtues and pathologies of pomo. Not just philosophically or epistemicly, but in a cultural space (cinema, media, art, architecture, science, political movements etc.) Is postmodern art just self-aware, pretentious, taping banana to the wall type of business, or is there something more profound and beautiful going on? Is pomo able to integrate authentic spirituality into culture? Is it holistic and meta enough to do that, or is something like integral or metamodernity needed here?

Could we all as a human race just watch this video right here and contemplate it for 10 years, and then come back to solve this mess with a multiperspectival, turquoise, meta-interprative, holistic God consciousness? Thanks!