The Harshest Truth of Spiritual Development

[cetus]

7 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

infinite flowers within a flower 

 Can't help but to notice the Fibonacci Sequence going on here too.  Perhaps a correlation with infinity?

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

39 minutes ago, cetus said:

Can't help but to notice the Fibonacci Sequence going on here too.  Perhaps a correlation with infinity?

Hell yeah!

[Joseph Maynor]

I guess it comes down to: Do we have access to Truth or not?  If not, then that's a kind of Truth too.  At least it's expressed that way because people take it seriously.  But either way -- we all seem to have a need for a kind of Foundation or a desire for one, otherwise, why are we arguing about it? 

There would be no need to be right.  We would simply realize it's a foolish endeavor at bottom, and move on without it. 

Most people seem to desire and even claim to have a sense of Truth, even if they try really hard to conceal this by being indirect or coy or even humorous.  They still have a stake in Truth and try to make points.  Even the no separate self -- there is nothing happening -- people.

[Rafael Thundercat]

I confess I am a bootlicker. I came here just to look for @Leo Gura comment on this thread. And I did not find it. Ha

[Joseph Maynor]

8 hours ago, Davino said:

But what if that were the truth?

That some truths are unfindable because you're a human and not an alien or a spider or a fifth dimensional being or who knows what.

Contemplate you'll never know how it feels like to be a woman, have breasts, pussy, the period, being pregnant, giving birth, giving milk to your child... You'll absolutely never know the inner truths of that, unless maybe you die from this form and somehow be in another form with other limitations.

Yes because part of Truth includes the finite and we all embody the finite which is ego.  You can't have a finite perspective that is Infinite.  The finite is joined with the Infinite.  We experience both Infinity and the finite.

[gettoefl]

18 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I find it really odd that someone could convince me that Truth is something that I cannot find.

Most won't and many can't. Next lifetime a good chance maybe. Everyone is called. Only a rare few have the willingness it takes to listen and jump all in. The deeper you are the harder apparently the climb. And the deeper you are the happier apparently the world that offers itself on a platter.

[Breakingthewall]

14 hours ago, Davino said:

@Ziran Watch Leo's two episodes on States of Consciousness is everything and The many facets of Awakening to gain deeper clarity on the topic. I'm sorry I can't explicitly explain it all to you now 

There is only one enlightenment, and it's simple. Being is. If you are totally open to it, that's everything. All what you said before are states of consciousness that are fundamentally subjective perceptions of the human mind. Like if you find boring the normie perception and you create special perceptions, like infinite god full of love that is dreaming for fun, for example. And then you affirm that this is the truth because you imagined it being drugged after watching a video of a guy saying that he realized that reality is and infinite god full of love etc etc. I think it wouldn't pass a deep logic questioning, but if you want to try, let's. 

[gettoefl]

16 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

Shinzen Young couldn’t meditate until he practiced under a Vajrayana master in Japan. Tibetan Buddhists call it mind training.  It takes dedicated effort to slow down the momentum of the mind.  Most lazy westerners give up or fall under the delusion that taking a drug will do the same thing.    

Impossible for any person with a modicum of ego to meditate. You meditate for a hundred years and you get near the light say and all geo says is, nothing has changed man, you are wasting your opportunities, you are not being all you could be, you keep beating your head against a brick wall, get a life man. Every thought a person has ever has is an egoic thought. Contemplate that and see if you have a counterexample.

[gettoefl]

8 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I guess it comes down to: Do we have access to Truth or not?  If not, then that's a kind of Truth too.  At least it's expressed that way because people take it seriously.  But either way -- we all seem to have a need for a kind of Foundation or a desire for one, otherwise, why are we arguing about it? 

There would be no need to be right.  We would simply realize it's a foolish endeavor at bottom, and move on without it. 

Most people seem to desire and even claim to have a sense of Truth, even if they try really hard to conceal this by being indirect or coy or even humorous.  They still have a stake in Truth and try to make points.  Even the no separate self -- there is nothing happening -- people.

I can't know the truth. I can however withdraw untruth. This is the gateway.

[Breakingthewall]

29 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

Impossible for any person with a modicum of ego to meditate. You meditate for a hundred years and you get near the light say and all geo says is, nothing has changed man, you are wasting your opportunities, you are not being all you could be, you keep beating your head against a brick wall, get a life man. Every thought a person has ever has is an egoic thought. Contemplate that and see if you have a counterexample.

It depends, if your ego is oriented to become a Buddhist monk expert in meditation then you could meditate a lot

[Razard86]

Genetics only plays a role in how the body works. Yes results differ as an experience because of the body/genes. But spiritual gains/insights are not genetic and have nothing to do with genetics. In fact spiritual insights come in spite of genetics, language barriers, cultural upbringing etc. Universal Mind as the creator is not bound by something as small and petty as gene expression and limitation. If Universal Mind wants to give you a God Realization it will give you a God Realization.

This is simply understood by one statement, there is no other. Since there is no other to limit Universal Mind it is able to do as it pleases. Only Universal Mind can place limits on what it will and will not do. So the Spiritual path is about taking your finite mind and communicating with the Infinite Universal Mind once that it done, you leave it up to Universal Mind to give you the Spiritual experiences you want. It really is that simple so thinking genes can stop Universal Mind is a joke!!!!

[gettoefl]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

It depends, if your ego is oriented to become a Buddhist monk expert in meditation then you could meditate a lot

Meditation has to be an easing of ego to be anything. Else it will badger you to get off the mat and get productive. When ego lets up, truth is let in.

Edited 5 hours ago by gettoefl

[gettoefl]