ICE just murdered another one in the streets of Minnesota

[Hardkill]

39 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

Those of us in the States need to start getting comfortable with uncivil disobedience really quickly.

When execution squads are gunning people down in the streets, we're well past the point where we need to be civil with people who want us dead.

ICE Agents and their supporters are human pieces of garbage, and should be treated accordingly. No sympathy or tolerance for Nazi collaborators - they need to be publicly named and shamed. ICE agents need to be recorded and exposed - no more unloading a clip into someone's skull and disappearing into the night.

Nonviolence is not 'civil' or 'nice'. 

We need a No Kings Protest throughout the entire country that is at least twice as large as the last one was.

[Hafiz]

The government is lying to you, they know they are lying, and they know that you know they are lying.

[Jodistrict]

8 hours ago, Raze said:

ICE agents seem to be particularly sadistic, poorly trained, and obnoxious compared to other federal officers.

Right now democrats don’t seem interested in really confronting the issue, maybe for the better because trump might be seeking a confrontation. 

Or their big money donors are telling them to stand down.   We are on our own.  The politicians aren't going to save us.  

[Breathe]

4 hours ago, DocWatts said:

Those of us in the States need to start getting comfortable with uncivil disobedience really quickly.

Yeah, I am thinking the same.

[Breathe]

2 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

Or their big money donors are telling them to stand down

The OCGFC as Shahid Bolsen calls them.

[Stick]

what the fuck this is literally nazi shit completely irrefutable 

[oldhandle]

MAGA doesn't even make sense anymore, a white American who was a nurse for military veterans who has the right to bear arms was killed and they celebrate. 

Country is so beyond cooked. 

[Jodistrict]

7 hours ago, Breathe said:

The OCGFC as Shahid Bolsen calls them.

  Bolsen recently put out a video everyone should look at.  He said that the reason Americans are so shocked is because they bought the lie and still believe there are good guys that are going to rescue them.  But it is all planned and nobody is coming to save you.

“You are not watching a broken system.  You’re watching the system operate normally”.

 

[Breathe]

@Jodistrict Yeah, that's a good video.

You might also like Sarah Kendzior. She's come to the same conclusion as Shahid.

15 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

they bought the lie and still believe there are good guys that are going to rescue them

Sarah Kendzior calls this "savior syndrome". The dems knew this was coming.

Edited 12 hours ago by Breathe

[BlueOak]

On 24/01/2026 at 8:35 PM, Raze said:

ICE agents seem to be particularly sadistic, poorly trained, and obnoxious compared to other federal officers.

They are, and intentionally so.

I ran the numbers awhile back:
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/police-training-requirements-by-country

Quoting my old post:

Ice apparently gets 47 days of training; if we charitably say they get 8 hours each day, that's 376 hours, which is 11 times less than the best-trained forces around the globe and half as long as regular American police, who are woefully undertrained, Regular police get almost 7 times less hours than India for example. Someone can argue American training is more effective, but I doubt by a factor of ten.~

There is almost no downside to undertraining ICE.
1, They can blame it all on poor training if things work out badly.
2, This lack of training creates fear.
3, The fascists in power want civil unrest, disrupted elections, greater police powers.
4, Whether you conclude this is all for internal gain: requiring a war or an emergency great enough to keep Trump in power, to establish more of an authoritarian hold over America.
or
5, Until they have completed their plans to divide the world up into new authoritarian geopolitical power blocs.

The strategy is the same.

*A war with Iran, China or Europe may also keep Trump in power a few more years. For example. So would a civil war or large civil unrest.

Edited 10 hours ago by BlueOak

[DocWatts]

If you live in the United States, you need to decide whether you're okay living under a fascist dictatorship, where you can be murdered in the street by a Secret Police force. And you need to decide right now.

This ends when enough people decide to put an end to it. The longer it goes on, the more innocent people are going to get murdered. 

One need only look to Iran right now to see what's in store of us if we let the American Nazi movement continue to amass unchecked power.

Edited 2 hours ago by DocWatts

[zazen]

On 25/01/2026 at 2:47 PM, Jodistrict said:

  Bolsen recently put out a video everyone should look at.  He said that the reason Americans are so shocked is because they bought the lie and still believe there are good guys that are going to rescue them.  But it is all planned and nobody is coming to save you.

“You are not watching a broken system.  You’re watching the system operate normally”.

 

Brilliant - that deserves its own thread.

I’d add this related vid:

The issue is anger is being polarized across cultural-identity politics lines which usually doesn’t bring a revolution but instead civil war. People need to coalition build and unite across class lines and challenge the power structure itself not simply “Trump” the scapegoat.

Protests only work when they’re disruptive to elite interest / the power structure. Ghandi made the status quo to costly through massive mobilized disobedience and disruption. Likewise with Mandela and ending of apartheid including with BDS movement - which is why it’s penalised or banned.

Frances’s Albanese got sanctioned and silenced the moment she started revealing the corporate profiteering off of the Gaza ethnic cleansing campaign, not before - despite her open critique of Israel. She said this on a interview with Chris Hedges.

Injustice needs to be made un-profitable, because profits hurt elite interests - who don’t care for change unless the cost of not changing crosses a certain threshold.

This can all be done peacefully but requires unity and patience - both of short supply.

Edited 2 hours ago by zazen

[trenton]

@DocWatts I just have a question. I remember Gandhi in India used civil disobedience to an extreme degree. This included nonviolence while the British were tying people to cannons and blowing out their guts. It makes me ask, what would happen if Americans used extreme civil disobedience to the point of groups of peaceful protestors sitting down and being recorded as ICE agents publicly shot dozens of them to death?

I am not sure what would happen in that scenario. Would there be overwhelming mass outrage? Or would the media claim that all of them were domestic terrorists, making the mass killings justified? Would this kind of situation be different or similar to what happened in India?

Furthermore, it looks like ICE more accurately matches the description of terrorists than the people they kill, but they are State sponsored. 

[Apparition of Jack]

Saturday’s killing of Alex Pretti was so brazen, so unconstitutional, so beyond the pale that many in the MAGA cult are finally starting to wake up. 
 

I hate that it took a brave, kind man’s life to come to this, but people are finally starting to see Trump’s evil for what it is. 

[Rafael Thundercat]

On 25/01/2026 at 0:36 AM, DocWatts said:

Those of us in the States need to start getting comfortable with uncivil disobedience really quickly.

When execution squads are gunning people down in the streets, we're well past the point where we need to be civil with people who want us dead.

ICE Agents and their supporters are human pieces of garbage, and should be treated accordingly. No sympathy or tolerance for Nazi collaborators - they need to be publicly named and shamed. ICE agents need to be recorded and exposed - no more unloading a clip into someone's skull and disappearing into the night.

Nonviolence is not 'civil' or 'nice'. 

I belive US will need world intervention as they use to do in other coutries that they considered in danger of Autoritarian Regime. 

[DocWatts]

4 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

I belive US will need world intervention as they use to do in other coutries that they considered in danger of Autoritarian Regime. 

At this point, it wouldn't be crazy to ask The United Nations to monitor our 2026 and 2028 elections, because there is 100% chance that the Trump regime is going to use violence and intimidation to try to keep people from being able to vote, and attempt to claim without evidence that races the Republicans lost were 'fraudulent'. 

[DocWatts]

55 minutes ago, trenton said:

@DocWatts I just have a question. I remember Gandhi in India used civil disobedience to an extreme degree. This included nonviolence while the British were tying people to cannons and blowing out their guts. It makes me ask, what would happen if Americans used extreme civil disobedience to the point of groups of peaceful protestors sitting down and being recorded as ICE agents publicly shot dozens of them to death?

I am not sure what would happen in that scenario. Would there be overwhelming mass outrage? Or would the media claim that all of them were domestic terrorists, making the mass killings justified? Would this kind of situation be different or similar to what happened in India?

Furthermore, it looks like ICE more accurately matches the description of terrorists than the people they kill, but they are State sponsored. 

To state the obvious, the United States isn't 1940s India. For one, we're not a colonially occupied nation fighting outsider oppressors - our authoritarian regime was voted into power, our authoritarians aren't being imposed from without but come from within. For another, our pro-democracy movement is going to look and behave very differently from one in a developing nation in the 1940s, in a world before smart phones and social media.

We'd be better off looking to what's happening in Minneapolis to get a sense of what the American pro-democracy movement looks like. Tens of thousands of people shutting down the state and taking to the streets in -20 degree weather, facing an armed paramilitary that was sent into their state to threaten and intimidate ordinary citizens.

The pro-democracy movement in the United States is extremely aware that the Trump regime is trying to bait us into violence, to give the regime a pretext for a military crackdown. ICE is brutalizing American cities for this precise purpose - Trump and Stephen Miller are waiting with excited anticipation for an ICE agent to get killed trying to abduct an innocent person, so that they can invoke the Insurrection Act.

The only problem for the fascist regime is that ordinary Americans know exactly what the regime is up to and, so far at least, are refusing to take the bait - which is why Trump's Secret Police has been resorting to more and more extreme tactics.

Despite what you may see on the news, most Americans do not like extremism - on either side of the isle. There's perhaps a quarter of the country that are authoritarian reactionaries who would welcome a Trump dictatorship, but the rest of the country does not like seeing masked Gestapo agents with machine guns brutalizing law abiding citizens.

The tactics used by ordinary people in occupied Minneapolis - harassing and recording ICE agents trying to abduct people, obstructing ICE patrols - is about as far as 95% of us are willing to go at this point. And it's working. Resistance movements live or die by how they're viewed by the public, and the extreme brutality of the Trump regime is backfiring on it bigtime.

Edited 58 minutes ago by DocWatts

[Raze]

Looks like Trump is seeking an off ramp