Why is Leo always defensive ?

[Nick_98]

There’s something I don’t understand. If you are an embodiment of truth or if you have attained higher state of consciousness why would you always be defensive about yourself

 

I thought that the closer you become with god’s consciousness the less you would try to disagree with people.

 

But Leo’s Ego is climbing up a mountain, through levels I have never seen in a human, it’s like a balloon that keeps increasing in size but doesn’t burst! It’s astonishing. Leo Please don’t take this critique personally, I’m trying to make sense of your own character I have all respect for you as a person, but this trait I noticed and I don’t understand it.

 

I understand we are all flawed individuals, but leo since years has been conducting arguments with people on the forum and rarely agrees with another person even tho he can easily do that, why does he choose the route to prove that himself is right ?

 

But if I achieve a god state of consciousness of course I will tell other people ok on everything, I won’t care about my Ego, I won’t be defensive. 

 

So does this defensiveness hides something we don’t know about ? Maybe the fact that they achieved greater states causes their inner ego to be more defensive than a regular person ? I don’t get it. Someone has explanation ? Leo do you notice that in your character ? Do you believe you are always being defensive ? Or do you think my observation is wrong ? 

 

Do not take it personally

 

[Rigel]

Leo seems less defensive than most humans to me. His job is to teach, of course he is going to challenge your assumptions & opinions. I’ve learn over the years that a lot of the criticism we have is directed at ourselves, not the person being criticized.

Your idea of what God consciousness makes people behave like is a fantasy. Awakening isn’t prescriptive.

[Nick_98]

2 minutes ago, Rigel said:

I’ve learn over the years that a lot of the criticism we have is directed at ourselves, not the person being criticised.

 

I really like your outlook. And i want you to elaborate more on this sentence. 

[Salvijus]

Being defensive is not always a sign of ego. Jesus frequently engaged in debates with Pharisees and scribes, countering their criticisms with questions, parables, or direct rebuttals. 

I mean... You're not vegetable. You have to respond to life as long as you're alive. And how do you respond to lies? You respond with truth. That's not ego. That's just being a bringer of light. 

Although defensiveness could also be ego. 

Edited 8 hours ago by Salvijus

[Rilles]

17 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Being defensive is not always a sign of ego. Jesus frequently engaged in debates with Pharisees and scribes, countering their criticisms with questions, parables, or direct rebuttals. 

Bringing up Jesus in a thread about Leo, chefs kiss.

[Salvijus]

4 minutes ago, Rilles said:

Bringing up Jesus in a thread about Leo, chefs kiss.

My response was about the meaning of defensiveness in general. Not about Leo in particular. 

[Leo Gura]

I think about these issues in terms of what it takes to convince a skeptic or someone who disagrees with me. This way I can create the strongest points and logic over time.

Most spiritual teachers only speak to people who already agree with them. I don't do that. I like convincing skeptics because I am a skeptic.

Edited 5 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Nick_98]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I think about these issues in terms of what it takes to convince a skeptic or someone who disagrees with me. This way I can create the strongest points and logic over time.

Most spiritual teachers only speak to people who already agree with them. I don't do that. I like convincing skeptics because I am a skeptic.

You’re making a great point. Your intelligence is astonishing. 
 

ok but Leo, then you have chosen the hard route to deal with others, isn’t it ? 
I believe that over time that might hurt your psychological well being. You don’t have to trust me just notice that we are born to belong and feel that we agree to each other. You are sacrificing one important point here and that’s inclusion and group think. I know that from your perspective this is some children games compared to truth seeking. BUT you are a human or in other words WE live inside the human dimension. We need to belong together, you’re choosing the opposite. And that might hurt your psychological well being. Don’t underestimate the game of humans It’s needed for you and me to be Happy. Dropping that is shooting yourself in the foot. 
What do you think about these ideas ? 

You’re creating for yourself a mental labour that in my opinion is unnecessary, I know skepticism got you far in terms of finding your spiritual self. But it won’t help you if you try to fulfil your human needs. You need to belong. You are doing the opposite to belonging. 
 

And just the fact that you are running this forum and post on it everyday tells me you are still a human. You need it to belong to feel included to feel validated, to feel you are somewhat somehow something in the society. If you wake up one day and this forum is gone, it will fall at your psychology like a tornado, you will start to feel distress, un validation and like your life purpose is coming to an end. 
 

so that’s what I’m taking about, I know that me and you know that we need to feel that we belong. Why choose the hard route ? Again.. this might hurt your psychi it’s not going to be good for it. It’s unnecessary.

i’m open to hear your opinion on that 

Edited 3 hours ago by Nick_98

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Nick_98 said:

You need to belong. You are doing the opposite to belonging. 

I am never going to belong.

My personality will never be happy in a group. This is nothing new. I have been this way since a kid. I get not satisfaction from being in a group.

I have the personality of an ascetic. I am highly rebellious, non-conformist, and disagreeable. I am not a team player. This is not something I can just change about myself. This is core to my personality.

Edited 3 hours ago by Leo Gura

[OBEler]

I am glad @Leo Gurais pointing out how insane his work is.

I knew it immediately. The first video I saw about you about enlightenment. I almost cried to found such a good source. YouTube had only crappy spiritual videos back then.

 

I asked me the same question. How can other people not see the value Leo creates. But again people could not see the value in Amazon or Google. Only if everyone is using Amazon and Google you will try to use it and see it as valuable if society accept it. Only if everyone around you is saying Leo's work is insanely good you will recognize that too.

Most people are so sheep like.

 

Edited 3 hours ago by OBEler

[Terell Kirby]

Huge waste of time focusing on personality quirks of Leo- the man isn’t here to offer us pleasantries-he’s here to get us to Truth.

Try not to kill the messenger, you’ll fail to get the message 

[Nick_98]

47 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I am never going to belong.

My personality will never be happy in a group. This is nothing new. I have been this way since a kid. I get not satisfaction from being in a group.

I have the personality of an ascetic. I am highly rebellious, non-conformist, and disagreeable. I am not a team player. This is not something I can just change about myself. This is core to my personality.

Ok Can I tell you small story about myself. I also thought I had a lot of characteristics about myself that couldn't be changed. I got diagnosed earlier this year that I am highly rated on the schizoid type personality disorder scale. If you don't know what that is here is a summary. 

"Schizoid Personality Disorder (SPD) means a person has a deep-seated detachment from social relationships and a very limited range of emotional expression, often appearing aloof, distant, or cold, preferring solitary activities, and showing little interest in romance or praise/criticism, living mostly in an internal fantasy world"

I searched about that disorder and the people that it can NOT be solved. Only in very rare cases. It was written that personality can't in a lifetime form relationship. Guess what happened ? Later this year I've turned into a very extroverted person, Every day I say good morning to people and I'm happy to be around them. I thought that the problem is UNSOLVABLE, that it is what it IS . But Now looking back at the psychological descriptions I realized I was speculating it is unsolvable. I can change. But let me be honest. I am not sure that you can change. but in my experience I have changed and that what makes me ambitious that you as well can change. You can be social again, you can be lovable, you can enjoy meeting other people again. 

 

Leo Here is an exercise for you 

Imagine you are living on an Island and sitting there doing kriya yoga. You notice in the horizons a boat and some people on this boat were waving at you. They want you to join them on the boat. You decide to ignore them , under the bias that they are group thinkers, rats, stupid etc.. and You sit there with the goal of attaining god’s intelligence and ignore them completely. 

I’m talking about this attitude. This attitude damages your psychological well being, because as human I know that from experience you want to belong. Look at children they always want to join each other, they don’t want to be alienated. It’s rarely a case where you see a child that sits there alone and ignore other children. It’s usually because of some bias they have like they hate me, they are stupid, etc..

So now Imagine me on that boat, I’m waving at you.. I want you to join me. Would you please join me ?

BTW LEO. you don’t have to believe my bullshit , you can just join me and not judge me. Imagine if I am a religious blinded person, don’t judge me but join me on the boat. I KNOW you need to belong. That will boost your psychology, you would be 10 times better if you joined other people even if you think deep down inside they are not intelligent and are group thinkers. 

Would you join me Leo? Or will you ignore me completely?

Also no pressure , since you explained to me your character traits. I HIGHLY respect that. I wish you all the best.  

Edited 2 hours ago by Nick_98