BREAKING NEWS: ICE shoots and kills woman

[DocWatts]

20 hours ago, Jowblob said:

@DocWatts I am sorry for hurting your feelings about things you do not understand, but i'm detached from ego life engagements and from things that make your nervous system ring.

Then go meditate in a corner somewhere, and leave politics to the adults who are able to respond appropriately when a woman is murdered in cold blood by the American gestapo.

This type of response is the perfect case study for why spiritual insights aren't indicative of wisdom in other domains. Ego transcendence doesn't mean you know crap about politics, or have advanced ethical insights - quite the opposite, from what I've been able to surmise from your response to a murder.

Edited yesterday at 02:58 PM by DocWatts

[Jowblob]

2 hours ago, DocWatts said:

Then go meditate in a corner somewhere, and leave politics to the adults who are able to respond appropriately when a woman is murdered in cold blood by the American gestapo.

This type of response is the perfect case study for why spiritual insights aren't indicative of wisdom in other domains. Ego transcendence doesn't mean you know crap about politics, or have advanced ethical insights - quite the opposite, from what I've been able to surmise from your response to a murder.

You mistake your political righteousness for clarity and wisdom, and in doing so you only reveal your own ego that most people are trying to transcend on this forum. You try to dominate and show that you're hurt by my response while you don't have a slightest clue where i'm coming from and you claim that you're the adult here. I don't think this is your place. Learn to reply without judgement and without forcing others to prove themselves to your standards and world view. The world you live in is already not so nice of a place, i don't think it needs another you to amplify its chaos and delusion. 

[something_else]

4 minutes ago, Jowblob said:

You mistake your political righteousness for clarity and wisdom, and in doing so you only reveal your own ego that most people are trying to transcend on this forum. You try to dominate and show that you're hurt by my response while you don't have a slightest clue where i'm coming from and you claim that you're the adult here. I don't think this is your place. Learn to reply without judgement and without forcing others to prove themselves to your standards and world view. The world you live in is already not so nice of a place, i don't think it needs another you to amplify its chaos and delusion. 

I get you, to an extent. But I also understand why people are irritated by your response. It was out of place on a political thread where somebody has been killed. High level spiritual truisms don't really add anything to the conversation, because the conversation here is about a very emotionally charged concrete physical event that occurred.

It is roughly equivalent to going to a Africa to find a starving child and telling them "don't worry, you're actually an infinite being that is imagining it is finite, and so there is nothing objectively wrong with you starving" – yes, it's true on a universal scale but it is so far above what the person you are talking to is concerned with that you end up coming across as an asshole. You've gotta meet people where they're at, or just don't bother commenting at all.

[Jowblob]

21 minutes ago, something_else said:

I get you, to an extent. But I also understand why people are irritated by your response. It was out of place on a political thread where somebody has been killed. High level spiritual truisms don't really add anything to the conversation, because the conversation here is about a very emotionally charged concrete physical event that occurred.

It is roughly equivalent to going to a Africa to find a starving child and telling them "don't worry, you're actually an infinite being that is imagining it is finite, and so there is nothing objectively wrong with you starving" – yes, it's true on a universal scale but it is so far above what the person you are talking to is concerned with that you end up coming across as an asshole. You've gotta meet people where they're at, or just don't bother commenting at all.

My response was meant to challenge people’s worldviews this is exactly why it was phrased the way it was phrased, it is meant to get people out of their caves who indentify with ego and other false realities that are not their own that cause them hurt. I expected replies like DocWatts gave, because that’s how awareness gets sparked. Everything happening now is part of the world being cleansed. Suppressed truths will rise and false belief systems will crumble under their own weight. 2027 is the year of remembrance, whether people like it or not.

[Yimpa]

Who shot first 👀

 

[Yimpa]

World peace would’ve came if they had just said:

”I was wrong in my actions. I am sorry.”

”It’s all Good.”

[Twentyfirst]

On 1/9/2026 at 1:50 AM, oldhandle said:

But if you're saying USA and EU are horrible, where are you arguing is the best place to live?

Depends what you are looking for. USA is better than EU now but both are declining rapidly so almost anywhere else is better. South East Asia would be a nice place to live for few years

[something_else]

1 hour ago, Twentyfirst said:

Depends what you are looking for. USA is better than EU now but both are declining rapidly so almost anywhere else is better. South East Asia would be a nice place to live for few years

How is the USA better than the EU? Across almost every development or quality of life metric the USA typically ranks around 15th and almost all of the countries above it are European.

I will agree that SEA is one of my favourite places in the world, but only if you’re backed by a western income.

Edited 17 hours ago by something_else

[Twentyfirst]

1 hour ago, something_else said:

How is the USA better than the EU? Across almost every development or quality of life metric the USA typically ranks around 15th and almost all of the countries above it are European.

Because the EU will decline much quicker than the US. EU will get sandwiched by Trump and Putin which will make life really hard.

1 hour ago, something_else said:

I will agree that SEA is one of my favourite places in the world, but only if you’re backed by a western income.

You don't even need an income for the first year or two if you have savings. Your savings in the bank will last 5 times longer there.

[ted73104]

Are there any Trump supporters here? Can you explain why you support Trump's stance on the ICE agent killing the woman?

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, ted73104 said:

Are there any Trump supporters here? Can you explain why you support Trump's stance on the ICE agent killing the woman?

I reckon from the view point of the right, the woman is seen responsible for her death because she antagonized the officer and than drove recklessly towards him in a semi dangerous way which gave him a semi valid reason to shoot. You could argue that the officer's actions were overboard and that he should face consequences. But it's hard to sympathize with someone who was dancing striptease on that barrel of a gun for no good reason. Like really. Wtf was she even doing there with such atrocious smugness? What was she trying to achieve there? Did she just wake up one day and thought, "I'm going to piss of some officers today and then play chase me". Idk, I don't have a full picture understanding here myself. 

Edited 8 hours ago by Salvijus

[PenguinPablo]

15 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

I reckon from the view point of the right, the woman is seen responsible for her death because she antagonized the officer and than drove recklessly towards him in a semi dangerous way which gave him a semi valid reason to shoot. You could argue that the officer's actions were overboard and that he should face consequences. But it's hard to sympathize with someone who was dancing striptease on that barrel of a gun for no good reason. Like really. Wtf was she doing there pissing them off? What was she trying to achieve there? Idk, I don't have the full picture understanding here myself. 

I mean by that standard there's hoards of people doing similar already via the protests and generally being disruptive to their operations. 

On the one hand it's admirable that they are standing up for their values.

On the other hand it's very reckless. People seem to be forgetting that the ICE guys have guns.

Mocking them to their face and getting confrontational is not something I would do to somebody with low emotional and intellectual intelligence, poor training, very low epistemic and moral standard.

If anything, I'd avoid them to the best of my ability. Comply and minimize my interactions with them as best as possible to avoid any "accidents" on their end.

Always assume risk around stupid people. 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by PenguinPablo

[BlueOak]

19 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

.But it's hard to sympathize with someone who was dancing striptease on that barrel of a gun for no good reason. Like really. Wtf was she even doing there with such atrocious smugness? What was she trying to achieve there? Did she just wake up one day and thought, "I'm going to piss of some officers today and then play chase me". Idk, I don't have a full picture understanding here myself. 

This is what happens during civil unrest and rebellion.

A lot more people are going to die if the fascists keep pushing. Just like Iran.

[BlueOak]

So i've watched the videos in more detail fom multiple views. The woman tried to drive off. The Ice agent guy tried to stand in her way and opened fire.

This is textbook stupidity from any law enforcement perspective. Putting himself in the path of the vehicle is incredibly dangerous. Civilians do stupid things all the time, from fear, mental issues, aggression etc, and putting yourself in positions to be in the way of that stupidity is incompetence; in this case, as it cost a life, gross incompetence.

But this is paramilitary, designed to antagonise the population, so its working as intended. Its killing citizens that dare to resist fascism. Its one of the screws to make the country more like Russia or China. There are many of them in play, but this is one of the overt things that happen. Dissenters are shot, opposition politicians are arrested, fear is weaponized, etc.

America is a far right country moving into a dictatorship. It will be overturned by revolution or not at all. The Democrats don't have the spine or will to do so, the likely pattern is gradual social engineering of the population to be further authoritarian and right-wing and suppression of democracy.
 

Edited 7 hours ago by BlueOak

[Salvijus]

31 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

This is what happens during civil unrest and rebellion.

What are they rebelling against? Against boarder protection and illegal immigration? 

Edited 7 hours ago by Salvijus

[Kid A]

6 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

What are they rebelling against? That the illegal immigration should be stopped? 

It’s the way they’re «stopping» illegal immigration. That and many many other things.

They’re basically pushing fascism as far as they can in America in 2026.

[Salvijus]

7 minutes ago, Kid A said:

It’s the way they’re «stopping» illegal immigration

Okay, maybe you have a valid point there. I'm not educated enough on this subject to be aware of the details of that operation, so I can't push back on that. Perhaps there is some valid critism to be made there. 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by Salvijus

[BlueOak]

38 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

What are they rebelling against? Against boarder protection and illegal immigration? 

Suppression and Heavy Handedness.
Police State.
Arresting of political opponents and opposing voters.
Aggression toward neighboring states.
Censorship.
Authoritarian power grab.
Primarily, the paramilitary forces that were used against the population. This is the primary and intended flashpoint of the current regime in America to cause fear and violence.

Edited 6 hours ago by BlueOak

[BlueOak]

BTW I support controlled and reduced immigration in the UK, taking into account emigration its at 500,000 net it used to be 50,000 net, imho it needs to be below 100,000 to maintain a stable society. In fact I should investigate what figures would maintain stability in more detail. @Salvijus

Edited 6 hours ago by BlueOak

[Salvijus]

50 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

Suppression and Heavy Handedness.
Police State.
Arresting of political opponents and opposing voters.
Aggression toward neighboring states.
Censorship.
Authoritarian power grab.
Primarily, the paramilitary forces that were used against the population. This is the primary and intended flashpoint of the current regime in America to cause fear and violence.

The problem is that every story has two sides. All the things you've mentioned could be either justified or reframed/recontextualized in such a way that it sounds positive not negative. Not that I'm interested in doing that. Some right wing commentator probably already does that. 

Edited 6 hours ago by Salvijus