BREAKING NEWS: ICE shoots and kills woman

[AION]

14 minutes ago, Kid A said:

And this was clearly not the case here.

Obviously it was, her case is not going to uphold in court

Edited yesterday at 04:14 PM by AION

[Kid A]

2 minutes ago, AION said:

Obviously it was, her case is not going to uphold in court

Did you see the video I linked to?

[something_else]

1 hour ago, AION said:

@Kid A @something_else it was a slippery road surface, it was very irresponsible of her to act so reckless, that one guy could have easily have his leg crushed. The thing is that being police is a very difficult job because they are putting their lives in danger for stupid people's safety. I can imagine that guy's flight and fight being activated on that slippery ice. I mean I would never do that job but if somebody tries to crush my leg you are going to catch some bullets. No way a court is going to sue that ICE. It is very unfortunate for that woman and I hope her gf and family the best. Obviously she was going through a lot with divorce and kids but this was not the moment to have a hissy fit with slippery ice in the mix. Some people don't have a clue that cars can be dangerous weapons and things go so fast that after the fact it is easy to judge but in that moment you don't know what could happen with such a fast heavy object moving on ice.

I addressed pretty much everything you said here in my last post, I can tell you didn't even bother to read it. But I'll reiterate in TLDRish bullet points to make it easier to follow.

• If it is slippery and icy why is the ICE agent standing in front of her car in the first place? By your own logic that was even more stupid
• There was no reason for them to even be near her car in the first place, let alone standing in front of it while it was icy, or trying to pull open her door
• Law enforcement are expected to be calm, collected and professional even in dangerous situations. They're expected to have basic control over fight or flight. A regular civilian should not have these expectations placed upon them to the same degree, they deserve the benefit of the doubt.
• She likely did not try to crush his leg on purpose, she probably didn't even notice he was there because she was preoccupied by the other agent to her left trying to pull her driver side door open
• Even if she tried to drive over him on purpose, and that's a big if, the training guidelines for law enforcement in a situation like that are very clear; if someone is using a vehicle as a weapon DO NOT SHOOT THEM, because you often just make the situation worse. The correct response for a trained officer is to GTFO of the way and use other vehicles/blockades to stop the rogue driver

Even with icy road thrown into the mix, which personally I think is the definition of grasping at straws, there is no interpretation of this in which the civilian is more in the wrong than the ICE agents.

Edited yesterday at 04:53 PM by something_else

[LordFall]

22 hours ago, AION said:

It is on the edge. Try being an officer. I’m not going to act nice if somebody almost crushes my leg with her car. She was at panick but the police is human too and can panick too. That being said I think ICE is disgusting and it should be disbanded. 

It's in their training to not stand in front of suspects in vehicles. 

[AION]

@LordFall @something_elseok I hear you. I’m just curious what the court will say about this. But I’m afraid the topic will age like a glass of milk. 

[Hatfort]

She goes reverse to maneuver out of there. If she wanted to run over the agent, she would have accelerated towards him. He's at a pretty decent distance to shoot at her with his arm fully extended, he was never at risk. It's a middle-aged woman with her hands on the wheel, the shots are intended to kill her, and they do. This is police brutality and state authoritarianism at its finest. The ICE is a fascist abomination. 

 

[kguirnela]

 

[DocWatts]

The fact that anyone is willing to give Trump's secret police the benefit of the doubt for shooting a 37 year old mom in the face is disgusting, in and of itself.

[Jannes]

26 minutes ago, kguirnela said:

 

You cant take what she said literally, "I am not mad at you dude" seemed like she wanted to show him whos boss. Her friend escalated further disrespecting and shittalking the ICE officer. So this was likely a very charged situation. It seemed like the ICE officer leaned forward in the last second which is cruical as it put him in more danger. The ICE officer was definitely threatened to some degree, not life threatened but threatened to be injured. 

Of course it was very poorly handled, a professional should have kept his cool. Not sure if it counts as a pure cold murder.

It was close enough to tell a story that it was for self defense though. 

[AION]

38 minutes ago, PenguinPablo said:

@AION

He called her a "fucking bitch"

After killing her.

Is he "afraid" or angry?

His leg got almost crushed. If somebody almost crushes my leg that person is going lit. 

[kguirnela]

5 hours ago, DocWatts said:

The fact that anyone is willing to give Trump's secret police the benefit of the doubt for shooting a 37 year old mom in the face is disgusting, in and of itself.

And their not getting to the root cause of the fact that Ice was there to start shit & just to stick it to stage green people. Just like Nick Shirley did weeks ago. 

Quoting from Adam Kinzinger

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DTOt6ZCEeB3/

Edited 18 hours ago by kguirnela

[Breathe]

Damn good article by Timothy Snyder

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The abduction of Maduro was not about naming his crimes, but about ignoring them. The worst thing that Maduro did is just what Trump is beginning to do: killing civilians and blaming them for their own deaths. After Minneapolis, Maduro’s lies are being repeated: in American English, by American authorities.

 

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Maduro, having been excused for his real atrocities, is to be be tried on the politically useful drug charges. The issue of drugs, like immigration, can be used to accuse domestic international opponents of being part of an international conspiracy. Maduro’s own death squads planted drugs on their victims. We should prepare for something like this on a much grander scale: everyone who opposes Trump is in league with the “narco-terrorists.”

 

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Maduro’s regime is less of an enemy than a model for Trump (and Vance and Noem), providing examples of how to talk about political murder. Once Maduro claimed that international plots were responsible for domestic opposition

 

[zurew]

The self-defense claim doesnt make any sense. Giving a headshot wont stop the car from crushing you, getting out of the way does. If your goal is to not get injured or to not die, then get out of the fucking way. I dont know in which marvel universe a moving car just stops moving after the driver is dead. And this is aside from the fact that its very clear from the videos that the car was moving away from him not towards him.

If your goal is to murder someone, then giving a couple of headshots (2 from completely the side of the car) and then calling her a fucking bitch and then  driving away immediately from the scene without limping or any given sign of injury and without any sign of regret or sadness that he just killed somone like a subhuman does make a lot of sense.

 

 

The avalaible videos make it extremely clear that his position is indefensible and that her intent wasnt to run over the guy:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1q8l8o4/synced_up_new_footage_with_old_footage_added/

Edited 8 hours ago by zurew

[AION]

This clarifies a lot, she was acting so dangerous 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by AION

[something_else]

1 hour ago, AION said:

This clarifies a lot, she was acting so dangerous 

 

She’s turning away to leave because the other agent is trying to open her car door. Look at the synced up footage from @zurew above. If she was actively trying to run him over she did a terrible job of it because she reverses first in order to get a better angle to drive away without hitting the agent.

The video you linked is also cropped weirdly. Again, the video from @zurew’s Reddit link shows the uncropped version. Seriously, just watch that full video and tell me you still think she was trying to intentionally run him over.

Also pay attention to what’s labelled “Shot 3” at the end of the video. The ICE agent is literally running after the car to shoot her point blank in the face. 

Trump’s response (also linked there) is clearly a massive exaggeration too

Edited 6 hours ago by something_else

[Salvijus]

Both are responsible imo. Those two women were extremely provocative, almost begging to be shot in a face. And the officer lost his cool and used a half valid excuse to do answer her prayers. Mmm... Idk. Officer should face some consequences probably. But I kinda understand him also. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Salvijus

[Wilhelm44]

Why was ICE messing with this woman in the first place, was she an illegal immigrant ?

Apparently the ICE officer was dragged by a car for a 100 yards in some incident 6 months ago. Which means he was already on edge. Still, no excuse for murdering an unarmed person. They say he was a gunner in the Iraq war. Psychological profiling probably non existent for these jobs.