Some Can't Be Helped?

[theleelajoker]

15 hours ago, Joshe said:

@Natasha Tori Maru @theleelajoker

Thank you for taking the time and your thoughtful replies. I appreciate it.

My case is a bit unusual. I'm no longer a spiritual seeker. I dropped the search because I saw what it offered and wasn't very interested. For a long time, I thought it was a matter of me just not putting in the work. Then, I figured out the path itself is not compatible with how life wants to express through me.

Curiosity + construction + coherence-seeking. That's my engine. It doesn't matter if it's me or God acting these things out. It just matters that they are acted out. From my perspective, whether I experience inner peace or not is secondary to this expression. 

I think life is expressing through you as surrender and peace, and through me as exploration and creation. I don't experience mine as ego - just a different way of participating. I don't treat one as higher than the other. If I wanted to optimize for inner peace, I agree that your orientation would be better for that.

It's possible I just never progressed far enough on the spiritual path and just said fuck it, I quit. But it's also possible the spiritual path can rightly be rejected.

I agree that a higher intelligence is animating all of life. That recognition persists as a hum in the background, but I choose to not amplify it by surrendering my faculties, as I've done that before, to the detriment of what I am. 

@Natasha Tori Maru Thanks for the additional clarifications and your contemplative effort. Means a lot. 

Thx for replying. You do you :)

Only thing: IME/IMO we don't really choose to walk on a "spiritual" path or not. Whatever we call it, it's simply experiences happening, and whatever happens depends on our current psychological/ energetic structure which in turn can only be changed by - you guessed it - experiences

What changes it how we label the succession of those experiences and that's about it. 

[Schizophonia]

On 24/12/2025 at 0:23 AM, Miguel1 said:

I know couple guys who have deeply studied Owen Cook for 10 years, been in all possible events, and still completely in their heads with zero social skills.

This was one of the main reason I quit trying to help people so hard. The ones who get it, will get it.

And the ones who wont get it, wont get it no matter how hard you try.

Perhaps the problem lies in the fact that instead of enjoying themselves and building a life in general, possibly with serious psychological and/or psychoanalytic help, these people insist on going to see a guy like Owen Cook.

Maybe if you, or Owen Cool, or anyone else in the personal development department doesn't have such good results as a coach, it's because it's ultimately crap.

Edited 5 hours ago by Schizophonia

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 hours ago, theleelajoker said:

Thx for replying. You do you

Only thing: IME/IMO we don't really choose to walk on a "spiritual" path or not. Whatever we call it, it's simply experiences happening, and whatever happens depends on our current psychological/ energetic structure which in turn can only be changed by - you guessed it - experiences

What changes it how we label the succession of those experiences and that's about it. 

I share this sentiment also.

[theleelajoker]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I share this sentiment also.

Finally someone that agrees with me 🤣