I have no patience for developing valuable skills

[AION]

@blankisomeone you are good. 26 is very young and your brain can still change. Only after 35 your brain - slowly - crystallizes. 
 

If you are a spiritual person with low ego you lack survival skills. 
 

to get the things you want you need that fire and survival skills. I recommend you watch an Andrew Tate and copy his good sides and integrate it. 
 

That lovey dovey shit makes you weak and most spiritual teachers don’t understand the importance of healthy ego and healthy survival skills so stop listening to these people. 

[Schizophonia]

12 minutes ago, AION said:

@blankisomeone you are good. 26 is very young and your brain can still change. Only after 35 your brain - slowly - crystallizes. 
 

If you are a spiritual person with low ego you lack survival skills. 
 

to get the things you want you need that fire and survival skills. I recommend you watch an Andrew Tate and copy his good sides and integrate it. 
 

That lovey dovey shit makes you weak and most spiritual teachers don’t understand the importance of healthy ego and healthy survival skills so stop listening to these people. 

Sadhguru is one of the most active people for his age.

Most spiritual leaders are normal.

Edited 17 hours ago by Schizophonia

[AION]

9 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Sadhguru is one of the most active people for his age.

Most spiritual leaders are normal.

You can recognize them by their fruits 

[Leo Gura]

Consider:

When Taylor Swfit was learning the guitar, she practiced till her fingers bled.

That's what success and mastery requires. That's why it is rare and valuable. Because most people aren't driven enough to follow through with it.

Everything big is much harder than it seems. Successful people work insanely hard, long, and consistently.

Lazyness is incompatible with greatness.

Edited 15 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Schizophonia]

2 hours ago, AION said:

You can recognize them by their fruits 

And you have no example to support what you say

I mentioned Sadghuru because he's the only yogi I know, and he is ultra active.

I also sometime watch Rupert Spira and he does videos, he is a normal person. 

He's not exactly a spiritual master, but I'm reading Deleuze right now; he was gentle and a communist, and probably the greatest philosopher of the 21st century.

The only one I can think of who can get close is Ken Wilber, who's also a regular guy, active on YouTube, and has written a lot of books.

Joe Dispenza ! That you like too.

 

So I don't know what you're talking about; there is a confusion here. 

Edited 14 hours ago by Schizophonia

[Joshe]

@Leo Gura How can OP tolerate long horizons where effort doesn't quickly restore agency?

[Joshe]

1. Structure creates early leverage
2. Leverage produces agency
3. Agency generates motivation
4. Motivation makes discipline tolerable
5. Discipline stabilizes long-term effort

Structure creates leverage by turning effort into visible progress. Once progress is visible, motivation and discipline activate without force.

That's the loop you want to engage.

@blankisomeone 

You can get financial freedom with little skill acquisition. People do it all the time. I acquired technical skills and I make money with them, but I see so many people way less competent than me who put in way less work than me, making way more money than me.

Check out the Youtube channel "Upflip".

This channel has tons of examples of how people with little skill are making insane money with low-barrier businesses. 

The biggest advantage of starting at the bottom is you have tons of options. 

Check out this kid making bank. He's not some skilled, extraordinary grinder. 

You could have this business off the ground in no time. 

Edited 11 hours ago by Joshe

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Joshe said:

@Leo Gura How can OP tolerate long horizons where effort doesn't quickly restore agency?

1) Enjoy the work itself.

2) Enjoy working towards a larger vision.

You don't need to be at the goal to enjoy moving towards it. Being at the goal doesn't in itself produce enjoyment.

Just because you have mastered a skill doesn't mean you are living in pleasure. Having a skill is no different than having a Ferrari. It doesn't make you happy just owning it. The joy comes from doing it, from the journey, not the destination.

Example: If your goal is to become a doctor, you can enjoy reading a book which moves you towards that goal today. You don't have to wait until you are a doctor to start feeling good.

Edited 10 hours ago by Leo Gura

[blankisomeone]

7 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

It's paranoia.

https://fr-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Hypertrophie_du_moi?_x_tr_sl=fr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=fr&_x_tr_pto=wapp

"It is characterized by an overestimation of one's own abilities." What? I'm literally dealing with the opposite condition

[Schizophonia]

42 minutes ago, blankisomeone said:

"It is characterized by an overestimation of one's own abilities." What? I'm literally dealing with the opposite condition

Your post literally says “ I want my object of desire now” That's overestimating your abilities.

Like you're being falsely modest, but what's behind this mental structure is the belief that you should normally be able to do it and that it's not normal.

Edited 10 hours ago by Schizophonia

[blankisomeone]

17 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

but what's behind this mental structure is the belief that you should normally be able to do it and that it's not normal.

Makes sense. This actually clarifies a lot of things about my impatience.

This thred has been very useful to me, y'all.

I might keep coming to the forum more often this year as I work through my mentality issues around money and what's possible in money-making and value-providing for me.

The first barrier is definitely about ridding myself of the idea that this should be easy. Ugh.

Edited 9 hours ago by blankisomeone

[Magnanimous]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Consider:

When Taylor Swfit was learning the guitar, she practiced till her fingers bled.

That's what success and mastery requires. That's why it is rare and valuable. Because most people aren't driven enough to follow through with it.

Everything big is much harder than it seems. Successful people work insanely hard, long, and consistently.

Lazyness is incompatible with greatness.

@Leo GuraHow many years would it take to become great?

18 now and I've had to stop writing and am now in finding the process of my re LP.

I hope I can get great by 30, but its ok if I work hard in 20s then greatness comes with less work organically after 30s

[Leo Gura]

22 minutes ago, Magnanimous said:

How many years would it take to become great?

How can such a vague question have a precise answer?

It all depends.

Why are you even thinking about the years? It is irrelevant. Just do the work that excites you and stop looking at the clock. You are already great just by working on minor things that will make you great, like reading a book. If you are reading the right book, you are being great, today!

You guys seriously need to start enjoying your work. There is no magic destination that will make you happy. The happiness is in the journey. Work slower and savor your work. Stop fantasizing about future greatness. Just be great today!

Edited 9 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Joshe]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

1) Enjoy the work itself.

2) Enjoy working towards a larger vision.

Sustained enjoyment isn't a mindset - it's a consequence of efficacy and agency.

Enjoyment comes from experiencing that your effort works (efficacy) and agency (felt control + efficacy + predictable results) is what makes that enjoyment persist. 

You can't "enjoy the work" until you have enough efficacy to experience agency in it.

This is why people grow to enjoy things they initially disliked once they become competent. Nobody starts out loving Excel spreadsheets. It's only when they can bend it to their will they start to enjoy it. 

Before efficacy, there is no enjoyment. There can be willingness to try and curiosity, but enjoyment only comes after efficacy and agency.

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Example: If your goal is to become a doctor, you can enjoy reading a book which moves you towards that goal today. You don't have to wait until you are a doctor to start feeling good.

A med student reading a textbook can enjoy it if they're understanding it and everything is clicking. But if they're reading the same page five times and nothing clicks, they can't enjoy it no mater how committed they are. 

Also, a med student might not feel "I'm becoming a doctor," but they can feel "I understand this chapter." Small efficacy and agency wins like this sustain them more than the vision of becoming a doctor. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Joshe

[Terell Kirby]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

You guys seriously need to start enjoying your work. There is no magic destination that will make you happy. The happiness is in the journey. 

I've been racking my mind for the past 2-3 weeks trying to come up with a million dollar business idea...

Then i stopped and asked myself if profit didn't matter, what would i enjoy that's authentic to my personality? BAM -- my idea for suitable creative project came to me almost instantly.

I am excited because I now realize that working on some form of art project that's authentic to my personality is all that matters. I can follow my creative intuition and see how it transforms my life --whether it makes $100 million or $5 bucks is irrelevant. It's living a life of constantly developing my creative skills and reaching new heights.

Edited 8 hours ago by Terell Kirby

[blankisomeone]

6 hours ago, Terell Kirby said:

whether it makes $100 million or $5 bucks is irrelevant

Unless the amount you make makes it impossible to cover even basic expenses then it starts to become relevant