New Video: Deconstructing Rationality - Part 1 - Out Now!

[Leo Gura]

Bam!

 

[r0ckyreed]

Let’s go!!!!!!! We are gonna deconstruct Sherlock!! 

[LifeEnjoyer]

LFG!

[Thought Art]

but leooo

Low key I always stick to the end! Watch it 2wice. 
 

1. Better intro than usual I think. 
2. is the video sped up?

Edited 9 hours ago by Thought Art

[Hojo]

Thank you Leo.

[ZeldaStar]

Really appreciate your work Leo! It has been enlightening   

I feel like maybe I missed something with this specific video, or maybe I should just wait for parts 2 and 3. I think I’ve watched a lot of previous videos from you where you’ve shared these same insights before (like the non-duality or decounstructing science videos).  Was this one more intended for scientists who haven't seen actualized.org videos before? 

Here are my takeaways, for reference:

1. Most systems humans developed (e.g. IQ tests, Science), have essentially become people’s new conformity, and they never question these systems. They take them for granted. 

2. We should question our assumptions and constantly contemplate the fundamentals of our thought process and the world, not just contemplate things within our world view. 

3. Furthermore, contemplation itself, while following a framework of rationality, is not sufficient to truly reach Truth. We need to be willing to step outside our worldview (rationality), open ourselves to more experiences, try psychedelics, talk to people we disagree with, read lots of books, and then make our own conclusions.  

4. Everything is relative, and we should pursue Truth and Englitenment to understand we are manifesting all of this in our head 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by ZeldaStar

[ExploringReality]

The intro quote; my first name is also Robert, cool. Also David's website is " in the cells of an eggplant"? 

[Leo Gura]

@ZeldaStar There is much additional depth and insight, but if you're just casual about it then it can all seem the same.

It is hard to communicate the depth to you guys without it sounding repetitive. Depth is not about more new ideas, it is about deepening existing ideas.

To appreciate the depth of this issue you have to read all of MetaRationality.com

Edited 5 hours ago by Leo Gura

[LoneWonderer]

Had to go back several times to try to understand this episode properly. I will stay for part 3 😂. Thank you for your work.

Edited 5 hours ago by LoneWonderer

[LordFall]

I've only just watched the first 15 mins as I must force myself to go back and finish the truth one to not leave these all partially watched but I like it so far. 

I'm an INTP with a very strong logical mind and I run into the end of logic consistently. Like it's hard to logic your way out of my own existence being a figment of my own imagination. Excited to watch the rest of the episode and the upcoming ones. Any books in particular that touch on this topic  or other sources you recommend apart from the meta rationality website?

[AtmanIsBrahman]

Just finished watching. It’s definitely an advanced episode that connects lots of other topics such as Sameness vs Difference, Deconstructing Science Series, What is Truth, How Authority Works, etc. 

I’ve had a lot of the insights Leo mentioned about so-called formalism. It’s really obvious that people in academia are completely wrapped up in this rules-based , community-driven way of thinking— not just in STEM, but in the humanities too. And these are the people in society supposedly doing the most advanced thinking!

But I have a couple issues with how Leo presents things. He is talking about his own version of rationalism that’s different from the standard definition. Rationalism in philosophy is supposed to mean the view that reason is the best way to get to truth as opposed to empiricism or other alternatives. In the video, Leo is talking about a certain culture of formalism and  rigor that’s connected to scientism and materialism. That’s not the same as rationalism, so it’s kind of strange that Leo had to reinterpret a word to get his point across.

So far, the question of whether reason is the best way to truth is still left open. Obviously formal reasoning has limits, but the way the mind goes about determining what’s true— what I would call reason generally— is a different matter. Of course it’s going to involve raising conscious, but there has to be some interpretation of whats happening in consciousness, otherwise you just have raw experience and not understanding. Hopefully Leo will address this in parts 2 and 3. 
 

 

[Leo Gura]

43 minutes ago, LordFall said:

Any books in particular that touch on this topic  or other sources you recommend apart from the meta rationality website?

That is more than enough.

It will take you weeks to digest MetaRationality.com

14 minutes ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

But I have a couple issues with how Leo presents things. He is talking about his own version of rationalism that’s different from the standard definition. Rationalism in philosophy is supposed to mean the view that reason is the best way to get to truth as opposed to empiricism or other alternatives. In the video, Leo is talking about a certain culture of formalism and  rigor that’s connected to scientism and materialism. That’s not the same as rationalism,

That's right, I am not talking about the standard philosophical definition of rationalism vs empiricism. We are talking about something more important than that. Which in itself shows you how relative definitions are. Some definitions are not as useful as others for our purposes. We use fuzzy intelligence to select the better defintions for our needs, which in this case is the goal of jail-breaking the mind.

Edited 3 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Daniel Balan]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Bam!

 

Thanks a lot for the video and the endless work you put in in order to make us more wise! ❤️❤️

[Daniel Balan]

The average viewtime for one of your videos is 20 minutes??? Are people insane? There is literally not one video of Leo which I started and I haven't finished. All the videos I begun to watch I watched them until I finished them. I am doing this since 2014. Furthermore I am going back and rewatching a lot of past videos. Right now I was rewatching and taking notes on the video The social Matrix. I literally watched Leo's last 2 videos about the truth being the highest value and the Halloween video and I literally complained in my mind that these videos were too short and there could have been said a lot more on these videos. All of that while pausing every 30 seconds and taking notes on my commonplace book on these videos. People don't have any kind of appreciation for the litteral gold they are being served up on a silver platter.

I feel so sad to learn that people only watch 20 minutes of Leo's work. So so sad. Without Leo's work I'd be a far right nazi, as all my peers and colleagues are. This goes to show how life transforming and mind evolving this work is. No wonder why people become nazis, is because they don't give a damn about this kind of inner work Leo is presenting us with.

Edited 3 hours ago by Daniel Balan

[AtmanIsBrahman]

27 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Some definitions are not as useful as others for our purposes. We use fuzzy intelligence to select the better defintions for our needs, which in this case is the goal of jail-breaking the mind.

But what about the way in which you use your mind to interpret consciousness and awakenings? That’s what I call reason. Sure, it’s not formal, but there is some sort of logic going on. Your proofs of god video used logic too. So there must be something to reason/logic other than the delusions of rationalists.

[Tetrapeter]

Interesting that you mentioned people like Curt Jaimungal and Alex O'Connor. I like both of them, but I always felt exactly the same as you: that they are way too rational, almost like they’re playing the role of the “rational guy.” I used to think I only felt that way because I’m more of an irrational person, and that I had to somehow catch up to their rationality.

But when I think about my brother—who is far more rational than they are—I realize that wasn’t the issue. I was never able to pinpoint why their version of rationality bothered me. Even though I genuinely try to be rational myself, and I have to be rational in my job or I’d lose it, something about it always felt off.

You’re the first person who articulated this so clearly that it feels like you put my own thoughts into words.

Thanks for your work

[Jannes]

Both of my seminars have been cancelled today and I was just wondering what to do today instead when this drops. 

[Yimpa]

Honestly the funniest episode I’ve watched. My brain so weird. Hoomanz, hell yeah!

Edited 1 hour ago by Yimpa