Dr. Mike (the bodybuidler) is blackpilled as hell XD

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

43 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course he obviously has a core wound around physical attractiveness insecurity. You can see he is overcompensating for it.

I notice that short men try to be and do extra macho things to overcompensate. Joe Rogan is a clear example.

These men have trauma around being bullied, picked on, or just not loved enough. So they try to validate themselves through aesthetically masculine activities like grilling elk meat shirtless.

Lolz

Insecurity is a stubborn bitch.

I can definitely relate to that to some degree. But upon any further inspection, all meaning behind these activities starts to melt away. That's how you know it's all BS LOL

[Leo Gura]

18 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

It is a sort of madness trying to fix something internal and intangible like a samskara with something external. 

Like trying to reshape a concrete block by yelling at it.

Like trying to nail a ghost to the drywall with a nailgun

Edited Friday at 11:28 PM by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

The Liver King dude takes this dynamic to a comical level.

It's like male insecurity turned into lifelong performance art.

[Emerald]

3 hours ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

So he is blackpilled about dating and still does the stuff he's doing with his body? Still being obsessed with becomming some sort of midget Hulk? Pretty strange if you ask me LOL

He might just prefer that aesthetic.

But it very likely stems from trying to compensate from past situations, like he describes.

And he does that by trying to look his very best... even if it's not geared towards dating.

Even his idea of "fixing the unattractiveness problem" for women and for people in general seems to come from an unhealed place.

Like, I watched the first 20 minutes of this video several weeks back. Maybe a month or so ago. 

And he was talking about a hypothetical example of a young unattractive woman who likes a guy. But the guy doesn't like her back. And he was empathizing with her but projecting his male orientation towards dating onto this hypothetical unattractive woman as well.

And (as a side note) he seemed to be under the impression that the "guy doesn't like you back" scenario only happens to very unattractive women. But when a woman likes a man, there's probably only a 50% chance or less that he'll like her back. Of course, women who are in the top 5% of attractiveness will have most guys saying yes. But that doesn't mean those guys really like her either.

But listening to his reasoning for why he wanted to create this attractiveness solution, I was like, "This guy needs to learn the wise woman way of dealing with this issue." 

If you're a woman and the guy you like doesn't find you attractive, if you're wise, you learn the lesson of "This isn't the guy for me." And you sort that guy from consideration. 

You don't try to attract more or fix your appearance to be appealing to the guy who's not interested in you... you become more ruthless in your sorting until you're with a guy who's really into you and your typical physical appearance.

And that might be somewhat difficult for a woman who's a 1 or a 2 because the pool of candidates will be smaller.... but it's still totally doable. And for a woman who's a 3 and above, there will be plenty of opportunities to strike a good match.

It usually takes girls/women some years to learn this. But learning it leads to a greater sense of self-respect and a raising of standards regarding the depth of interest the guy has in her.

I feel like Mike Israetel is still operating in the, "I need to maximize my attractiveness to be accepted by people" dynamic. 

But he's a decent-looking guy in the first place. And even if he weren't, that mindset shift around his appearance would do him well.

One doesn't need to be maximally attractive (or attractive at all) to have a partner and friends. 

The only thing that's necessary is a high degree of self-respect and the willingness to sort those from consideration who don't value you.

[Kid A]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course he obviously has a core wound around physical attractiveness insecurity. You can see he is overcompensating for it.

I notice that short men try to be and do extra macho things to overcompensate. Joe Rogan is a clear example.

These men have trauma around being bullied, picked on, or just not loved enough. So they try to validate themselves through aesthetically masculine activities like grilling elk meat shirtless.

Lolz

Insecurity is a stubborn bitch.

This makes me think of Javier Hernandez, a Mexican footballer who earlier this year went on social media and accused women of exterminating masculinty and said something like that they should stay at home and serve men. It just made so much sense to me that he would do this, because he has always been famous for being short and having a babyface. It’s so characteristic in his case that he is called «Chicharito» (little pea). That look is almost exactly how I imagine certain someones on this forum with similar views on women…

[mmKay]

13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course he obviously has a core wound around physical attractiveness insecurity. You can see he is overcompensating for it.

I notice that short men try to be and do extra macho things to overcompensate. Joe Rogan is a clear example.

These men have trauma around being bullied, picked on, or just not loved enough. So they try to validate themselves through aesthetically masculine activities like grilling elk meat shirtless.

Lolz

Insecurity is a stubborn bitch.

Sharp observation, it's actually a thing: 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_complex

One of many of the ego's compensation shortcut's for confidence and self esteem, even if fragile or inflated.

[Human Mint]

12 hours ago, Kid A said:

This makes me think of Javier Hernandez, a Mexican footballer who earlier this year went on social media and accused women of exterminating masculinty and said something like that they should stay at home and serve men. It just made so much sense to me that he would do this, because he has always been famous for being short and having a babyface. It’s so characteristic in his case that he is called «Chicharito» (little pea). That look is almost exactly how I imagine certain someones on this forum with similar views on women…

Probably a lot of it comes also from the insane levels of group thinking that comes with being part of a football team and spending time everyday in a locker room with another 20 dudes.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Not just in relation to this thread - but DAMN @Leo Gura I almost feel you should release the black-pill vid so users can become aware of their own cognitive bias with it. Lots of guys here would probably benefit from it. Even if all it did was show them how their beliefs are being enhanced by their own strong intellect.

I find the smarter someone is, the more powerful the cognitive bias. Because they pick the correct data out - but ignore all the other relevant pieces to bring concordance across their psyche (and a more balanced equanimous view of the topic). And their own intelligence works against them to cement that shit in place like a turd that won't flush

[Tenebroso]

10 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Not just in relation to this thread - but DAMN @Leo Gura I almost feel you should release the black-pill vid so users can become aware of their own cognitive bias with it. Lots of guys here would probably benefit from it. Even if all it did was show them how their beliefs are being enhanced by their own strong intellect.

I find the smarter someone is, the more powerful the cognitive bias. Because they pick the correct data out - but ignore all the other relevant pieces to bring concordance across their psyche (and a more balanced equanimous view of the topic). And their own intelligence works against them to cement that shit in place like a turd that won't flush

Interesting insight. Is that why guys who are maybe not so intelligent or let's say cerebral do better with women? They are not stuck in their heads, trying to figure out dating like a mathematical formula. If they get rejected they simply move on instead of thinking about hoe that rejection fits into an overall pattern.

[Schizophonia]

11 minutes ago, Tenebroso said:

Interesting insight. Is that why guys who are maybe not so intelligent or let's say cerebral do better with women? They are not stuck in their heads, trying to figure out dating like a mathematical formula. If they get rejected they simply move on instead of thinking about hoe that rejection fits into an overall pattern.

It's called being not autist

[Schizophonia]

10 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Not just in relation to this thread - but DAMN @Leo Gura I almost feel you should release the black-pill vid so users can become aware of their own cognitive bias with it. Lots of guys here would probably benefit from it. Even if all it did was show them how their beliefs are being enhanced by their own strong intellect.

I find the smarter someone is, the more powerful the cognitive bias. Because they pick the correct data out - but ignore all the other relevant pieces to bring concordance across their psyche (and a more balanced equanimous view of the topic). And their own intelligence works against them to cement that shit in place like a turd that won't flush

And you you confound intelligence with anxiety.

An anxious person will have a stronger ego, and indeed will therefore be less open.

Anxiety is not the same as "stress" in the sense of having a knot in your stomach; it's more about the intensity of mental chatter, the obsessiveness.

Edited 8 hours ago by Schizophonia

[Natasha Tori Maru]

16 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

And you you confound intelligence with anxiety.

Not in my experience. You do not have to be anxious to have a habit of thinking with a bias. There is a lot of crossover yes - but it's not a given. 

Anxiety is an emotional and psychological response to stress, while cognitive biases are systematic errors in thinking that affect how people make decisions and judgments. When the cognitive bias applies to something like dating (being black pilled, as per context) it can cause anxiety but cognitive bias does not inherently do so.

30 minutes ago, Tenebroso said:

Interesting insight. Is that why guys who are maybe not so intelligent or let's say cerebral do better with women? They are not stuck in their heads, trying to figure out dating like a mathematical formula. If they get rejected they simply move on instead of thinking about hoe that rejection fits into an overall pattern.

It could be yes. They aren't forming a belief based on careful observation & analysis - more reacting in the moment without using intellect to try to solve a problem. Pure non-thinking play and flirting or goofing off to make a woman laugh is probably a good example.

In my experience a lot of guys who don't do so well in the dating arena are INCREADIBLY intelligent. But that bias in their thinking is so powerful because the full force of that intelligence is behind their thinking: their black pilled view really is actually correct. Their thinking process is top notch. They have slowly begun to miss key data points in their experience that show the full picture. This typically forms a meaning/belief.

It is quite insidious because the thinking and assessment is correct, it is just the bias that makes them see only one data point: IE 'only good looks get girls' by observing their mates dating. But they miss that their mates got girlfriends because they stuck with dating for 18months, whereas the guy in our example gave up within a month. It can be as small as that. Then you end up looking for more data to support your point to confirm is it accurate. Because technically it is. There is just a bit more too it.

2 of my mates were locked into black pill sorta ideology and it took me 4/5 solid conversations to show them how they were operating from a belief, and missing the full truth. And these dudes work at University of Melbourne in the STEM field. They both had these sorts of small subtle loops on their thinking

Edited 7 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Schizophonia]

17 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Not in my experience. You do not have to be anxious to have a habit of thinking with a bias. There is a lot of crossover yes - but it's not a given. 

Anxiety is an emotional and psychological response to stress, while cognitive biases are systematic errors in thinking that affect how people make decisions and judgments. When the cognitive bias applies to something like dating (being black pilled, as per context) it can cause anxiety but cognitive bias does not inherently do so.

I respond in my eddit 

17 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

being black pilled

People who ruminate a lot have a high degree of anxiety.
It causes anxiety, but anxiety also makes you want to ruminate; it goes both ways, it's a vicious cycle.
Anxiety: an egocentric echo chamber.

Again, this isn't necessarily conscious, because we tend to only recognize high levels of anxiety (the anguish, the knot in the stomach) and suppress low-grade anxiety.
Compulsive thoughts, rumination, even OCD symptoms are all forms of moderate anxiety.

Edited 7 hours ago by Schizophonia

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Schizophonia so in your view a cognitive bias is anxiety? 

I view these things as distinctly seperate.

[Schizophonia]

2 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Schizophonia so in your view a cognitive bias is anxiety? 

I view these things as distinctly seperate.

The reason you symbolize something in general is that you need it, and that need is anxiety.

For example, you talked about blackpill.
If I truly, sincerely thought that women or men are X and that it's painful for me, then I would shift my attention elsewhere.
It's logical, if something is annoying, I'm not going to keep focusing on it.

So if I repeat ad nauseam "women/men are X," it's because beyond the negative feelings, it serves a need, and that need is survival/the survival of my ego.
And the desire to maintain one's ego is anxiety.

Ultimately, anxiety is a medical term for when it becomes problematic, but the underlying energetic dynamic is the same.

Incidentally, one of the most effective anxiolytics, Buspirone, has a pharmacology very similar to 5-MeO-DMT.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

11 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

The reason you symbolize something in general is that you need it, and that need is anxiety.

For example, you talked about blackpill.
If I truly, sincerely thought that women or men are X and that it's painful for me, then I would shift my attention elsewhere.
It's logical, if something is annoying, I'm not going to keep focusing on it.

So if I repeat ad nauseam "women/men are X," it's because beyond the negative feelings, it serves a need, and that need is survival/the survival of my ego.
And the desire to maintain one's ego is anxiety.

Ultimately, anxiety is a medical term for when it becomes problematic, but the underlying energetic dynamic is the same.

Incidentally, one of the most effective anxiolytics, Buspirone, has a pharmacology very similar to 5-MeO-DMT.

In the context of blackpill, I can see why there is a mechanistic crossover as it is simply the brain attempting congruency as a survival method: ie the brain wants to be certain so it knows duration/path/outcome. Which will reduce anxiety/stress.

But you can have a cognitive bias completely isolated from anxiety. For example, one can have a cognitive bias in a scientific process and it will not involve anxiety. This was my original point. So there is no disagreement.

This is why I raised that the two elements are not the same, and do not have to be linked.

But in the context of blackpill the false belief that is caused by the bias will cause internally perceived stress from external pressure, and anxiety as a general samskara relating to the belief as it perpetuates itself.

My point was originally raised to highlight that intelligent people often have more powerful cognitive bias as the belief is formed and backed from the raw power of their intellect. Often the thought pattern/critical thinking is correct. But not all data is present. So it is the selective sourcing of data that is the error. And often, the only way to see the bias clearly is to meta analyse thoughts. Which is difficult without a good cognitive behavioural therapist or friend you can be really open with. The only cure is typically extensive experience to accrue more data and accurately observe. I raised this as a way to empower people who may have this bias. Not to disempower them and label such things as anxiety (and incur victim mentality).

[Carl-Richard]

On 7.11.2025 at 10:02 PM, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

That's besides the point. Obviously I can intuit that, it's just that I can't personally imagine where the motivation can come from, even while married you still think about how to be attractive to your wife. But he prefers to become a human tank instead, probably to cope with some internal psychological issue of his, broootaaal

That, but also some people just want to be like the Hulk.