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What are crop circles ?

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6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Dude, we have reports from people who work on UFO craft.

Don't act like this doesn't exist.

The US government owns over 10 UFO craft. And we know the size of the aliens.

anybody beside bob lazar you are talking about ?
what is the size of those aliens ?

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6 hours ago, Ramasta9 said:

Light-codes, think of them as vibrational patterns that emit a certain frequency of harmonic resonance, which generate activation codons within DNA and the environment. Upgrades / Support, so to speak. Creation is one big cosmic play, but its so intelligent it appears foolish and child's play.

@Joshe   My gut tells me that the above mentioned is closer to the truth.  But it probably won't be provable and probably also won't fit into your epistemology. 

ps It's simply not true that mainstream scientists are eager to discover paranormal activity. They would lose their jobs. Most mainstream scientists are not as openminded as you believe.

Why do you think someone like Rupert Sheldrake was shunned by academia, precisely because his topics of research were not acceptable topics for mainstream science.

 

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2 hours ago, Ash55 said:

anybody beside bob lazar you are talking about ?
what is the size of those aliens ?

That Mexican alien was pretty small. 

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1 hour ago, Wilhelm44 said:

@Joshe   My gut tells me that the above mentioned is closer to the truth.  But it probably won't be provable and probably also won't fit into your epistemology. 

ps It's simply not true that mainstream scientists are eager to discover paranormal activity. They would lose their jobs. Most mainstream scientists are not as openminded as you believe.

Why do you think someone like Rupert Sheldrake was shunned by academia, precisely because his topics of research were not acceptable topics for mainstream science.

The whole point of epistemology is to separate what feels true from what is true. It puts feelings and desires aside. 

Also, I don't think scientists fully operate in the way you describe. Sure, they might be close-minded when it comes to certain things like the materialist paradigm, but that's different from things like crop circles and actual physical phenomena. 

The truth of the matter is humans have been known to create crop circles. 

Here's a devastating article: https://devantaylorpublications.medium.com/crop-circles-9f5f9462aac0 , which I assume you will ignore because it's detrimental to your belief. 

So, here's an excerpt: 

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The full article featuring Bower’s and Chorley’s admission can be read here.

People have made millions spreading crop circle delusions/propaganda. This is a clue. The more believable you can make them, the more money you stand to earn. Cha-ching!

C'mon bro. Don't fall for the same decades old con job. 

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Open-minded Japanese scientists went to Britain with 5 millions euros to investigate the crop circles in earnest. lol 

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@Joshe  I read your article, will you watch this 18min video ?

(It mentions those two guys, but it also goes deeper into the microwave radiation issue.)

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4 hours ago, Ash55 said:

anybody beside bob lazar you are talking about ?
what is the size of those aliens ?

Many besides Lazar.

Plenty of credible whistleblowers.

I have several good UFO books in my book list.

The Roswell crash basically explains everything. The US gov has bodies from that crash. Study Roswell.

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30 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Many besides Lazar.

Plenty of credible whistleblowers.

I have several good UFO books in my book list.

The Roswell crash basically explains everything. The US gov has bodies from that crash. Study Roswell.

But Leo, why the aliens don't visit Europe at all? Don't aliens appreciate giant welfare states? Or why they don't visit Russia, China or North Korea? They only like unhinged capitalism? 

It is kinda odd that aliens and UFO's are visiting only the USA. 


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12 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

But Leo, why the aliens don't visit Europe at all? Don't aliens appreciate giant welfare states? Or why they don't visit Russia, China or North Korea?

They do. You are just not educated on the history.

The first UFO craft was found in 1930's Fascist Italy.

UFOs fly all over the world in every country.

The Russians and Chinese certainly know about UFOs. China hosts a professional world conference on UFOs.

Read the books on my list to educate yourself on the basic facts.

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5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Read the books on my list to educate yourself on the basic facts.

@Joshe

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I haven't even personally verified the existence of Antarctica, let alone aliens.

xD

25 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

But Leo, why the aliens don't visit Europe at all? Don't aliens appreciate giant welfare states? Or why they don't visit Russia, China or North Korea? They only like unhinged capitalism? 

It is kinda odd that aliens and UFO's are visiting only the USA. 

Communist aliens.

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1 hour ago, Wilhelm44 said:

 

@Joshe  I read your article, will you watch this 18min video ?

(It mentions those two guys, but it also goes deeper into the microwave radiation issue.)

I watched the video. Oh boy! lol.

  • Surprise surprise - Levengood, the scientist who posited the radiation theory worked for a company whose very existence depended on crop circles being real, and the whole point of his job was to prove that they were. All of their funding and publicity revolved around the idea that crop circles were not hoaxes. "Hey, let's get a scientist in here to prove our case - cha-ching". Oldest trick in the book. lol 
  • His work collapsed under scrutiny. Why would you believe this one particular scientist over the hundreds that call him a quack? 
  • There's more than one way to flatten crops. Different methods would impact the plants differently. 
  • The video does a good job of making it seem like they are being good-faith, but it's a channel who makes millions from such topics (15 million subscribers). They tried to get me to watch more alien hoaxes at the end of the video. Basically like the Inquirer tabloid in digital form. 

My 25-year-old self would have believed the video because I didn't know better. It is convincing until you understand the incentive structure propping the whole thing up along with all the psychological components that become invested in the narrative being true. 

If a scientist who didn't stand to earn a fortune could have reproduced his findings (they tried and failed), I'd give the idea more plausibility. But being able to see the incentives, delusions, and deceptions intertwined with it all, it's just a more sophisticated, profitable lie. 

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22 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Triggered? 🤪

Haha, not at all. Leo's logic is flawed regarding his alien theories. His entire alien belief rests upon anecdotal evidence and bad logic. 

Claiming a UFO was found in 1930s Italy isn't a "basic fact". It's speculation based on hearsay. 

Don't let Leo's authoritative tone sway you on anything an everything. Go see if you can actually prove it's a fact that an alien UFO was found in 1930s Italy. Let me know if you can do that. 

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8 minutes ago, Joshe said:

 His entire alien belief rests upon anecdotal evidence. 

Every knowledge was once -- anecdotal. Actually if you really think about it everything is anecdotal. Things come through your lense and only yours. Why do you trust others anyway, where is your rigor?? However "credible" a source is, why do you trust then and dont doubt then to death too? lol. How much rigor should one have? This is an impossible to answer question because, well, questioning will always exist and because things can be true but not provable.

The topic of UFOs is a tricky one, because it can shape and change one`s entire worldview. So you are right in being skeptical, but at least be open-minded and investigate the field more.

 

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17 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

The topic of UFOs is a tricky one, because it can shape and change one`s entire worldview. So you are right in being skeptical, but at least be open-minded and investigate the field more.

I'm completely open-minded about it. I have yet seen any solid evidence. 

The things being called "facts" are not facts. That's not a me problem.

I'm not going to blindly believe an alien UFO was found in 1930s Italy because Leo says he read it in a book. I need more than that. 

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15 minutes ago, Joshe said:

I need more than that. 

I get it, everyone has a standard. I think yours will only be cleared if you personally have a sighting, but maybe not even that, maybe an onboarding experience with the ETs will be needed. But then again, you can even doubt that and discard it as a hallucination. But what is a hallucination and what isnt? hehe tricky stuff:P

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@Leo Gura I didn't know there were UFO books on your list, I'm definitely intrigued. I've read a good 10 or so but some are clearly worse than others and hard to discern what's more grounded in truth, I'm excited to buy the list and see what you picked and to see if any of them are the few I've consumed. I have always been conscious of alien/UFO existence but it wasn't until you posted on the blog about it a few years ago that I took a serious conscious effort to separate the wheat from the chaff and now I've got to a point where my contemplation research and experiences have coalesced to understand the phenomenon in a grounded manner that funnily enough is weirder than I could have ever imagined yet makes complete sense in my mind. Hard to articulate what my insights are but I'm sure we are on the same page. They been here for a long ass time, I'd be looking down on us if I were them, can't blame em, we're fascinating, much like how we're fascinated by ants crawling on the ground, unfortunately we have a tendency to pick up one of those ants and play with them because we simply can, hopefully the aliens are not like that, but I wouldn't blame them if they were.


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6 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

I get it, everyone has a standard. I think yours will only be cleared if you personally have a sighthing, but maybe not even that, maybe an onboarding experience with the ETs will be needed. But then again, you can even doubt that and discard it as a hallucination. But then again, what is a hallucination and what isnt? hehe tricky stuff:P

Nothing tricky about using critical thinking and evidence-based reasoning as tools to check what you let in as facts. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Joshe said:

Don't let Leo's authoritative tone sway you on anything an everything.

That would be an assumption you are making - I am just having fun. Have you read Leo's books regarding UFO's on the booklist? Previously you have come at these topics touching on UFO/NHI etc with very little research done.  

It might be nice to ask yourself with regard to this topic:

'What is really at stake for me?'

Because you certainly have a bee in your bonnet regarding it - your posts on this topic are very emotionally loaded compared to others xD

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1 hour ago, Joshe said:

Claiming a UFO was found in 1930s Italy isn't a "basic fact".

Many basic facts in your worldview are unverified by you. In fact, 99% of them.

Have you verified that Napoleon invaded Russia?

You haven't verified shit. Yet you act like you have.

Should you believe me about UFOs? Certainly not. Which is why I told you to educate yourself, not to believe me.

I never tell you to believe me.

People on this forum are so obviously not even informed of basic facts about UFO reports, like the fact that UFOs are reported in every country in the world. If you read the books you would know that.

I have shared many, many excellent UFO sources with you guys over the years. The best sources. Yet people are lazy and don't even study them. Then they act outraged over why I'm so confident on this matter, as if I just woke up one day and decided to believe in aliens. As in all of my work, I follow the facts wherever they take me and I do not care how crazy the conclusion sounds.

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