Why does the human body exist?

[theoneandnone]

It’s an avatar…. It’s an illusion yadda yadda why the hell does it exist in the first place. Why does consciousness zone in on this particular body? With NDEs /OBEs There’s plenty of stories of consciousness outside the body (duh) But why as consciousness why did the body ever need to come into place anyways? “Hey I’m pure consciousness let’s go trap myself in a body and mind with mental health issues that’ll be fucking funny” Why am I trapped in this bullshit mind and body. WHY DO BODIES EXIST?

[Hojo]

Its like a mini game. God created many mini games why it did it forgets cause it created humans a long time ago.

[Dodo]

2 hours ago, theoneandnone said:

It’s an avatar…. It’s an illusion yadda yadda why the hell does it exist in the first place. Why does consciousness zone in on this particular body? With NDEs /OBEs There’s plenty of stories of consciousness outside the body (duh) But why as consciousness why did the body ever need to come into place anyways? “Hey I’m pure consciousness let’s go trap myself in a body and mind with mental health issues that’ll be fucking funny” Why am I trapped in this bullshit mind and body. WHY DO BODIES EXIST?

I can't tell you "why bodies exist" but can guide you into just noticing that these thoughts and the experience of a "trapped self in a body and mind" are all seen by the same You which itself is not trapped in a body and mind.  

See that you arent trapped in a body, but rather there is an experience of a human seen/experienced by You, consciosness. 

I can't tell you the entire God's plan of why and how exactly this or that happens, just how to detatch from this sense of being trapped or being the body, because those are appearances/experiences known by you. It's quite liberating. 

Don't skip, just see for yourself that all this is experienced by you and that "you" cant be seen as an object of experience. Yet all experience is pervaided by that you (empty awareness itself). 

 

Edited Friday at 08:34 PM by Dodo

[vibv]

1 hour ago, Hojo said:

Its like a mini game. God created many mini games why it did it forgets cause it created humans a long time ago.

And then it escaped into this one. It forgot why.

[Dodo]

2 minutes ago, vibv said:

And then it escaped into this one. It forgot why.

If we bring nonduality and Christianity together, we could say that the same awareness that knows the body is the light of life itself, the image of God in which we move and have our being.

Of course its paradoxical that we all share the same timeless being, yet we experience different lives, different experiences and stories. Perhaps It's not for any of our singular minds to get, a mystery!

Perhaps thats just how the Absolute can experience itself. Might as well just accept that it just Is and to notice the appearance and disappearance of experiences with detatchment, resting as that awareness that knows them.

[Sugarcoat]

Deep question. I think it’s becuase there’s so many forms: and there’s a more than zero chance that the form of a body exists. So in all of eternity and infinity, a body will appear. And it’s that particular form which can create self consciousness, it arises from it, and it’s only self consciousness that can ask the question “why do I exist”, so it thinks it’s special, but it’s just a more than zero chance. And since we have infinity, more than zero means infinite bodies….so it’s not special 

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Edited Friday at 11:22 PM by Sugarcoat

[Dodo]

25 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Deep question. I think it’s becuase there’s so many forms: and there’s a more than zero chance that the form of a body exists. So in all of eternity and infinity, a body will appear. And it’s that particular form which can create self consciousness, it arises from it, and it’s only self consciousness that can ask the question “why do I exist”, so it thinks it’s special, but it’s just a more than zero chance. And since we have infinity, more than zero means infinite bodies….so it’s not special 

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You know back when I was in school, in my "atheistic" days i remember telling my friend theory which sounds a lot like this, but back then I wasnt taking consciousness into account. Just "my body and my brain" are sumtotal of atoms and molecules which have more than 0% chance to happen, so in Eternity they are bound to happen exactly as they are. And after I die, in eternity they are bound to happen again, exactly the same formation. 

But the error here is believing that "my consciosness" arises from the collection of matter. My model of reality has changes since then.

My proof that such collection of atoms and mollecules that create exactly "Me" is possible was the fact that there I was, talking to my friend, in flesh and bones, so clearly its more than 0, since it happened. But what I failed to realise back then was that this is not proof that tĥe materialistic me has more than 0 chance to exist. What I had was proof of direct experience inside of consciousness,  rather than proof of matter. 

Edited Friday at 11:47 PM by Dodo

[UnbornTao]

But what even is the body? It shouldn't be taken for granted. 

Edited 12 hours ago by UnbornTao

[Aaron p]

I think it's similar to why you have a body when your dreaming in a night time dream, the mind needs something to explain how it's happening. Something to ground it's "perception" in saying, "yes here is the body, it is what is generating this experience."

[Sugarcoat]

20 hours ago, Dodo said:

You know back when I was in school, in my "atheistic" days i remember telling my friend theory which sounds a lot like this, but back then I wasnt taking consciousness into account. Just "my body and my brain" are sumtotal of atoms and molecules which have more than 0% chance to happen, so in Eternity they are bound to happen exactly as they are. And after I die, in eternity they are bound to happen again, exactly the same formation. 

But the error here is believing that "my consciosness" arises from the collection of matter. My model of reality has changes since then.

My proof that such collection of atoms and mollecules that create exactly "Me" is possible was the fact that there I was, talking to my friend, in flesh and bones, so clearly its more than 0, since it happened. But what I failed to realise back then was that this is not proof that tĥe materialistic me has more than 0 chance to exist. What I had was proof of direct experience inside of consciousness,  rather than proof of matter. 

I am not claiming the existence of physical matter. I don’t know if there is actual physical matter, because all I have access to is my direct experience. But I am speaking of forms and appearances, that’s what I call all these things that arise in my experience.

And it seems to us that these forms behave a certain way. I have mentioned it before in this forum, but you’ve probably noticed that every time you drop something, it will land on the floor. Simple example. That is a particular behavior of the form/appearance. Doesn’t mean that it HAS to be that way always, maybe it’s possible for forms to appear differently. But in this particular aspect of reality that is our experience, the forms behave that way.

So you could draw conclusion that by studying the form that is the brain, we notice it connects to the formation of our present experience, perhaps makes it possible for us. 

It’s not anti spirituality, why would the form be excluded from spirituality? Why would the brain be excluded from the spiritual? Studying form is studying your direct experience, which is all you’ve got in this life. Self consciousness/conscious experience is special and unique but it doesn’t mean it’s not connected to form

Edited 8 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Carl-Richard]

There is no why except God likes to express itself. There is only how.

[Sandroew]

The body’s function is to preserve and build complexity.

In order for the Earth to develop life, there had to be many things go be a certain way.

• a certain distance from the sun, moon, other planets
• a certain size
• a moon
• the gas giants to protect us from asteroids
• etc

Because of all these things the Earth is a place where complexity was able to develop and not get destroyed.

Your body is the same, just in a smaller scale. The key takeaway is that the body supports the complexity necessary for us to maintain our level of consciousness. Your chair you are sitting on doesnt ask why is it a chair because its nowhere near as complex as your body.

Edited 5 hours ago by Sandroew