What are some things we do today that future generations will see as "savage"?

[BlueOak]

20 hours ago, Elliott said:

Read a recent article somewhere, the industry is talking about the data centers being ridiculously underwater already. Lifespan is estimated to be 10 years on the expensive processors, and the cost was well more than 10x annual revenue. It could come crashing down by itself soon, although Blackrock is buying them up so maybe they know something we don't. 

You have to imagine, electricity cost is substantial for the first one built, now build 1,000 on the same grid, not only will costs go up, but competition does and therefore revenue declines as well.

Interesting. Though I have been corrected just today, actually, apparently we are talking about a common myth.

These data centers are needed to train the AI. To run the AI, a laptop on a battery is fine already.

[Twentyfirst]

Anytime they put something up your dick hole at the doctors. Barbarism at its finest 

[Elliott]

 

[Oeaohoo]

Democracy…

Whatever one thinks of it, I don’t think democracy has much of a future. Regimes with stronger leaders like Russia and China are already taking over the effete and decadent West. The capacity for long-term planning and the absence of the whole circus of distractions created by party politics are two of the most obvious benefits. If the West wants to compete with them, it will have to rise to this challenge.

Political systems tend to alternate in cycles, though. New forms of democracy might reemerge in the distant future.

[Basman]

59 minutes ago, Oeaohoo said:

Democracy…

Whatever one thinks of it, I don’t think democracy has much of a future. Regimes with stronger leaders like Russia and China are already taking over the effete and decadent West. The capacity for long-term planning and the absence of the whole circus of distractions created by party politics are two of the most obvious benefits. If the West wants to compete with them, it will have to rise to this challenge.

Political systems tend to alternate in cycles, though. New forms of democracy might reemerge in the distant future.

I think your specifically thinking of technocratic centrism.

Regulations on power is absolutely necessary for a healthy society, or you get regimes like that of Russia who's main priority is regime security as opposed to national interest. Regulations on power is in my opinion the de facto selling point of democracy.

[Oeaohoo]

1 hour ago, Basman said:

I think your specifically thinking of technocratic centrism.

Interesting. I haven’t heard this term before but it strikes me as an accurate description of the Western system. Somebody like Tony Blair comes to mind as the embodiment of this.

1 hour ago, Basman said:

Regulations on power is absolutely necessary for a healthy society, or you get regimes like that of Russia who's main priority is regime security as opposed to national interest. Regulations on power is in my opinion the de facto selling point of democracy.

Isn’t that basically the situation in the West too, though? Call me cynical but I don’t believe that any of our politicians care about what is in the national interest.

Anyway, I mustn’t talk about politics. The bottom line is it’s all over and we’re all doomed. Hallelujah!

[Basman]

2 minutes ago, Oeaohoo said:

Isn’t that basically the situation in the West too, though? Call me cynical but I don’t believe that any of our politicians care about what is in the national interest.

Trump's tariff scheme recently got shut down by congress. Imagine if such checks on power didn't exists and Trump was politically unshackled? Politicians being corrupt is one thing, but being a tyrant is another. Russia is a country where the leader's whims dictates the entire country's fate. For someone like Putin, policy that is bad for the economy doesn't matter because he's "writing history" in a mythical sense. He's not accountable to the state and starts pointless wars. That's unchecked power.

Politicians tend to act more in alignment with national interests, and by extension humanity, when what's best for the country aligns with what is best for their careers. We need better incentives for politicians to be good politicians. Politicians are arguably underpaid relative to the amount of responsibility they carry and how much they are hated, though that's unpopular to say, let alone act on.

[Karmadhi]

1. Industrial scale farming will be seen the same way as the Holocaust is seen by our generation in my opinion. As pure evil.

2. The process of visas and denying entry to people who want to study/work/live in another country. I believe in the long term future open borders will be a thing.

3. Having to pay for health care, education, electricity and other basic necessities. 

4. Lack of an universial unconditional income, the idea "if you want to eat, you have to work".

5. The illegality of psychedelics and the whole stigma around them

Some that came up to my mind

[LoneWonderer]

4 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

1. Industrial scale farming will be seen the same way as the Holocaust is seen by our generation in my opinion. As pure evil.

2. The process of visas and denying entry to people who want to study/work/live in another country. I believe in the long term future open borders will be a thing.

3. Having to pay for health care, education, electricity and other basic necessities. 

4. Lack of an universial unconditional income, the idea "if you want to eat, you have to work".

5. The illegality of psychedelics and the whole stigma around them

Some that came up to my mind

I agree with all your points except for maybe your second point about visas and travel. This one may happen eventually if humanity evolves for another 1000 years uninterrupted.

Edited Monday at 12:42 AM by LoneWonderer

[Oeaohoo]

Plot twist: there aren’t going to be any future generations because we’re all going to die in a nuclear holocaust.

[lostingenosmaze]

Skateboarding without a helmet

[LoneWonderer]

This. Makes me sad shit like this happens.

Edited Monday at 08:24 AM by LoneWonderer

[LordFall]

Labor or die; post scarcity is coming 

[Wilhelm44]

The school system.

[Ramasta9]

Slavery is still a thing, the trick is they replaced the chains with the "coin"  

[theleelajoker]

6 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

The school system.

+1

And capitalism as it is often expressed. This idea that it's desirable or even beneficial for individuals or society that a single person accumulates a huge, basically unlimited amount of wealth.

Edited Wednesday at 10:19 AM by theleelajoker

[Sucuk Ekmek]

The school system is a good one. Nowadays, we can't separate the two words “education” and “system.” For the ancients, education was closely connected to theatre, tragedy, and drama. 2,500 years ago, Plato said, “What they call education is nothing more than keeping the city-state alive at the cost of chaining the minds of its people.”

cited from Plato, Timaeus

 Whereupon one of the priests, a prodigiously old man, said, “O Solon, Solon, you Greeks are always children: there is not such a thing as an old Greek.” And on hearing this he asked, “What mean you by this saying?” And the priest replied, “You are young in soul, every one of you. For therein you possess not a single belief that is ancient and derived from old tradition, nor yet one science that is hoary with age. [22c] And this is the cause thereof: There have been and there will be many and divers destructions of mankind, of which the greatest are by fire and water, and lesser ones by countless other means. For in truth the story that is told in your country as well as ours, how once upon a time Phaethon, son of Helios, yoked his father's chariot, and, because he was unable to drive it along the course taken by his father, burnt up all that was upon the earth and himself perished by a thunderbolt — that story, as it is told, has the fashion of a legend, but the truth of it lies in [22d] the occurrence of a shifting of the bodies in the heavens which move round the earth, and a destruction of the things on the earth by fierce fire, which recurs at long intervals. At such times all they that dwell on the mountains and in high and dry places suffer destruction more than those who dwell near to rivers or the sea; and in our case the Nile, our Saviour in other ways, saves us also at such times from this calamity by rising high. And when, on the other hand, the Gods purge the earth with a flood of waters, all the herdsmen and shepherds that are in the mountains are saved, [22e] but those in the cities of your land are swept into the sea by the streams; whereas In our country neither then nor at any other time does the water pour down over our fields from above, on the contrary it all tends naturally to well up from below. Hence it is, for these reasons, that what is here preserved is reckoned to be most ancient; the truth being that in every place where there is no excessive heat or cold to prevent it there always exists some human stock, now more, now less in number.

 

§ 23  And if any event has occurred that is noble or great or in any way conspicuous, whether it be in your country or in ours or in some other place of which we know by report, all such events are recorded from of old and preserved here in our temples; whereas your people and the others are but newly equipped, every time, with letters and all such arts as civilized States require and when, after the usual interval of years, like a plague, the flood from heaven comes sweeping down afresh upon your people, [23b] it leaves none of you but the unlettered and uncultured, so that you become young as ever, with no knowledge of all that happened in old times in this land or in your own.