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Who Wants Actualized Psychedelic Retreats?

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44 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Natasha Tori Maru I interact with woman all day non stop. I literally don't interact with men. If men are social creatures that borders dangerous to be alone women are 12 x worse social creatures. That means to me that if God locked up every man and every woman in a room by themselves woman go insane 12 x faster on average.

I don't know where you are getting sexist from unless you are looking to get triggered.

Listen - you do you boo - in your own head.

Not all thoughts are so wonderful and profound they need to be shared.

Feel free to make these generations in your mind - but keep posting such things to a minimum.

Unless you like consequences.


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@Natasha Tori MaruAre you arbiter of what thoughts I should share? Because it seems like you want to be. If it happen I couldnt say anything. Anything I say is deemed sexist by the women here. Never once a man said it. Every opinion is something that should not be said by the women here.

Then they use condescending terms and name calling back. That is sexist.

Im not your boo or anyones boo ,you are sexist not me.

Share how this was sexist in anyway?

And how is calling me boo not sexist?

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I would like to report a mod for abuse.

Threats of silence (basically say what I want or get banned)

sexist remarks

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@Hojo Mate when you are being offensive with sexist generalizations then yeah - you probably should do a self-check before posting.

Self awareness.

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@Natasha Tori MaruIf I called you boo you would say I was being sexist. Self awareness.

Im not directing offense towards anyone. If you ever stay with a woman you can hear them saying they hear noises and are scared someone is there. That is insanity. Nothing is there theres nothing ever there. Its always the fridge.

I stould outside of an abandoned building with my gf  and friends and we looked at it and I said we were going in and she started freaking out. Thats insanity. She started crying and she said she could see people in it. We went in there was no one. Thats insanity. Woman are scared like this more than men.

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How you go/How long it may last/Venture life, burn your dread

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3 hours ago, Emerald said:

So, even if you never say verbatim "Isolate yourself and never collaborate." there's plenty of young guys on this forum who look up to you that will go, "Leo has transcended his need for social connection and community. I want to reach the level he's at!"

Well Leo’s position on this is pretty clear:

1:48:00- points out all traps of misusing insights as a means to isolate and not be social. 

 

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15 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Natasha Tori MaruAre you arbiter of what thoughts I should share?

No but there are guidelines so that is your arbiter.

Regardless - take this up with Leo if you have an issue with the guidelines.

Thanks 


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1 hour ago, Hojo said:

It scary for a woman to be alone cause it reveals the insanity. Its not like that for men being alone is a godsend to man. Its like a relief. I have been alone for 5 years beside work and have never been happier.

A woman is scared to be alone for one night. They start making up stuff about people breaking in and stuff. Every sound like an axe murderer waiting to strike. That is insanity.

A woman at work came down to Canada from Philippines she said when she first came here she literally went insane cause it was so quiet. She said she looked out the window and saw zombies.

That's a really odd assumption. Have you ever interacted with women before?

Personally, I've always a strong tendency towards finding relief in solitude because I feel more at peace alone... as being with other people is emotional labor because I tend to feel responsible for everyone. Like, I remember that when I was 11 (when I was first allowed to be at home alone), I was just overjoyed by it because I could really just be myself.

And I have tended to polarize into that and be quite avoidant and self-contained because connection always came with emotional labor and showing up only partially.

Mind you, this avoidant tendency isn't healthy at all. And I'm aware of that... which is why I push back on these ideas around solitude being better than community.


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1 minute ago, Terell Kirby said:

Well Leo’s position on this is pretty clear:

1:48:00- points out all traps of misusing insights as a means to isolate and not be social. 

 

Mostly, I'm talking about how he speaks about socialization on this forum.

But relative to this video, impact-wise it doesn't matter if he caveats it in a video called "How Socialization Makes You Stupid".

The message is still that "socialization makes you stupid" and that socializing is a foolish thing to do.


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Just now, Emerald said:

The message is still that "socialization makes you stupid" and that socializing is a foolish thing to do.

So.. why does that bother you so much? it’s quite clear that socialization has its limits when it comes to solo time needed for independent thinking, contemplation and avoidance of group think. This is all part of self actualization.

In the video Leo’s states it multiple times how demonization of socialization is not the aim, but rather to see its limitations. He also points out the benefits of socialization and how it helped him in his life.

@Emerald- seems like a personal matter, helps to look at Leo’s perspective objectively 

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13 minutes ago, Emerald said:

Mostly, I'm talking about how he speaks about socialization on this forum.

But relative to this video, impact-wise it doesn't matter if he caveats it in a video called "How Socialization Makes You Stupid".

The message is still that "socialization makes you stupid" and that socializing is a foolish thing to do.

Depending on your level of development it kinda does or doesn't.  It can either dumb you down or lift you up.  If you hung around Ramana Maharishi for a week I don't think it would make you stupid. So I'm with you there.  But if you spent all your time talking to a Bible thumping Jesus fanatic it could dumb you down if you aren't careful.   You are what you eat. 

Don't worry about what Leo says he says a lot of crap on here. Take it with a grain of salt.  But he considers himself where he is and he probably is more advanced than the majority of society.  He's put in the hours alone. 

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14 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Natasha Tori MaruIf I called you boo you would say I was being sexist. Self awareness.

You literally were like, "If women are alone their inherent insanity starts to come out."

It's just a rehashing of the "women are hysterical" stereotypes from the early 1900s where women were frequently institutionalized and even lobotomized because of diagnoses of "female hysteria."

How can you say it isn't sexism... when it's one of the strongest historical examples of women's lives being destroyed by sexism?

Back in the 50s all it took was for a husband to call up the institution and say, "My wife is being taken over by her womanly emotions. The other day I slapped her when she didn't have dinner ready when I got home. And instead of just taking it and improving her behavior, she let her female hysteria get the best of her and she shouted at me like a mad-woman."

And she'd be carted off to the funny farm to have her frontal lobe scrambled by top-of-the-line medical experts to cure her of her hysteria.


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@EmeraldIt will happen to everybody. It just happen faster to women thats why there are  way less women monks. Way less secluded females.

If we were both secluded we will both go insane but the woman crack first.

It mean you are closer to God.

But for some reason even thats an insult.

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7 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Don't worry about what Leo says he says a lot of crap on here. Take it with a grain of salt.

My issue is that his words will influence people in a negative direction if he makes little short quippy statements that influence people into deeper levels of social isolation.


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18 minutes ago, Emerald said:

My issue is that his words will influence people in a negative direction if he makes little short quippy statements that influence people into deeper levels of social isolation.

Unserstood I haven't seen all the references you are referring to but like I said he probably has a hard time assimilating because the majority of the population isn't like him at all.  So most will be beneath his level.  That's not an insult its just reality  Now that said he could phrase it better on here to encourage socialization but i don't feel it needs to be encouraged.  There is nothing wrong with being alone. Too much isolation could turn into a problem and there needs to be some social interaction.  But too much of anything can be a problem.  You worry about this but you have no problem with him calling America Nazis.  

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How did this get derailed into "women are insane"? 🤡 That's pretty insane. Only a man could be that insane (jking; I won't enforce my edgy observation that most people on the forum are Bluuee 🟦).


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2 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

How did this get derailed into "women are insane"? 🤡 That's pretty insane. Only a man could be that insane (jking; I won't enforce my edgy observation that most people on the forum are Bluuee 🟦).

I'm just waiting for Solipsism to come into it....

Why would Leo be holding a retreat to facilitate when its all just him? :P 


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5 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

How did this get derailed into "women are insane"? 🤡 That's pretty insane. Only a man could be that insane (jking; I won't enforce my edgy observation that most people on the forum are Bluuee 🟦).

Guess you have to make it to Vegas to find out and be willing to smoke dope. Not sure.


 

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6 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Let's not fool ourselves.  With mainstream Christianity and Judaism there is no search for the sacred.

Even within the mainstream, there are some hardcore Christians that don't just do it for the community, the Christian nerds, the intuitive-introvert Christians, the INFP Christians who follow their own internal compass, the INTP Christians who care about the underlying truth.

 

6 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

But as you said even that is corrupt because it is a belief.  You should do it out of curiosity not that you believe there is some sacred truth out there.

I believe they are intertwined. If you are curious enough about the truth that you pursue it, there is a belief born that it's possible, that it is true. Belief always involves doubt, ask any Christian.

I sense an allergy to "belief" similar to an allergy to "group-think". Maybe it's something to look at rather than push away.

 

6 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Actualized i believe aligns with this at least at the beginning. The earlier stuff.  Even moving forward It's hard for a teacher who has found Truth not to admit it exists at all.  But still here it remains a curiosity as far as to answer questions like what am I, what is reality.  And, what is Truth, if it exists.  I think overall Leo had been very careful not to corrupt his work.  There is going to be some corruption in everything. 

The mistake is believing it's not already corrupted and that it's not an endless struggle. The belief of Christians is present in you.

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49 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@EmeraldIt will happen to everybody. It just happen faster to women thats why there are  way less women monks.

Of course, all people will go crazy in solitary confinement.

But it's an assumption based in sexism that women will go crazier faster than men. And it's not based in evidence... just your own sexist assumptions.

It's been studied, and women biologically have a greater capacity for internal emotional regulation than men... and will tend to regulate by feeling emotions and crying. So, according to that study, women have a higher capacity for self-soothing.

it's posited that women evolved a higher capacity for self-soothing because women are less aggressive and less strong than men. And it was safer for her to be able to self-sooth in dangerous and stressful situations rather than to try to fight back.

But in the study, it showed that men tend to need to retaliate in order to regulate themselves. It required rage that led out to a desired change in the external world for men to get regulated.

It's posited that men evolved this capacity because they needed to be able to respond to threats from animals and other humans with force and violence.

That's why an upset man who is upset about something that doesn't have a concrete solution and that can't be solved through anger or retaliation might punch a hole in a wall. So, emotion and action tend to come simultaneously. And this can lead to men having more of a tendency towards taking more impulsive, chaotic, and risky actions than women do, on average.

But a woman who is upset will tend to go through a quieter and more low-key process of feeling her emotions and crying. Then, she will seek solutions after the emotions have been sufficiently taken care of. So, emotional processing comes first... and then action comes from a calmer state once the emotions are taken care of.

So, that leads to women have a greater capacity for self-soothing than men do. 

It's just that society is very emotion-phobic and fearful of Femininity. So, the act of crying was often seen as more of a sign of being weak or unhinged  than aggressive anger and wall-punching and violence because the crying is understood as more Feminine than the wall-punching.

So, if some crazy person tries to put a woman in an isolation room, she might cry and process emotions to try to adjust to the isolation room, seek solutions... then go crazy if she can't find any solutions.

But if some crazy person tries to put a man in an isolation room, he's probably going to immediately rage out and tear the isolation room apart... which is useful if it's escapable but just frenzied chaotic rage if the room is inescapable. Then, he'll go crazy too.

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