Leo Gura

Who Wants Actualized Psychedelic Retreats?

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4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It is humor that gives ammunition to people who want to demonize this work.

This work has enemies who will look for any reason to demonize it.

When you guys treat me in a worshipping way it makes the work look bad and I am blamed for it even though I never wanted it.

This work is about developing total mental autonomy.

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Humans cannot help but worship celebrities. It's such rat-like behavior and even when you tell them to stop they cannot do it. And regardless of whether you act arrogant or humble they will still do it.

The celebrity dynamic is corruption.

Honestly, some of this language feels dehumanising and self-contradictory. Talking about people as "rat-like" and labelling critics as "enemies" seems more controlling than freeing.

Of course people are going to put you on a pedestal...you've helped change a lot of lifes. But you also position yourself as their leader in "this work", even if it's only in between the lines.

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11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

There exists a supernatural domain of consciousness which is so advanced that no words can communicate it to you.

It is like trying to explain human consciousness to an ant.

Humans are just ants. Nothing more. Nothing humans understand means anything from a higher POV. This includes nonduality and enlightenment and all human spirituality. All of it is ant stuff.

Words can only do so much, which is why I like the idea of chemical retreats. The real work is in the chemicals, not in my talking. The chemical can show you what words never can.

Agree with all of that.

But WHAT is watching all of these Alien/Divine/whatever consciousness/arising/imaginings? All of that x/y/z/n+1/Alien/Divine/... consciousness is... temporal imagined arising(s). Even human/Alien/Divine consciousness is not the Absolute Looker/Subject/Reality/Being, but an appearance. Temporal, arising within THAT, and gone a bit later. Watched by WHAT? In WHAT? Made out of WHAT?

What watches all of that? What never changes?

What is never not the case? What are you truly? What eats the ant/human/alien/divine being for breakfast?

THAT which manifests/imagines the whole gig within its boundless Reality/Being, and at the same time is aware of it. THAT which can "forget" or unimagine its realization of what "itself" is anytime... while never not being itself, even if that realization is lost. THAT can never loose itself, or become anything else. Yet, it explores its imagined potential of x/y/z/Ant/Human/Alien/Divine Being-consciousness and the worlds these consciousness perceive forever.

And btw., none of that invalidates what you say, that alien/divine/.../n+1/whatever is a much grander perspective of God understanding herself. Its just, well, all of that doesn't change the unchanging Reality a bit. Did (true) YOU ever change, or just the temporary waves/ripples on you imagined surface?

 

8 hours ago, r0ckyreed said:

But the real kicker is that you’re imagining all those higher states of consciousness right now. All those higher states are consciousness are hallucinations in the now. Since time is illusion, you never experienced them only imagining them now. If you aren’t conscious that you’re a God right now then your previous God realizations are only imagination.

Leo, how about you answer this one? Isn't that bringing your "God/THAT/Reality imagines it all" theory/concept/experience nearer its final conclusion?

 

And as always, since THAT never truly changes, "that" which is truly aware, and "we" are it already... meet you "there" already Leo. The various "consciousness" from ant to human to Alien to Divine Being are the "subject"-side of the manifestation. Changing, relative, like the "objective"-side of the "world". Like arising lenses that THAT uses to create, watch and understand its manifestations & light-show in different ways. What is aware of the boundless limitless Totality of all of that, having that arising within "It"self? What is unchanging Reality that sees ant, human, Alien, Divine Being arise within "It"-self.

PS: Becoming part-time Alien/ then part-time-Divine Being, on which we recently learned after Alien comes Divine Beings, so whats next? Hint: Infinity = n+1 = forever....

https://www.actualized.org/forum/search/?&q=Alien&author=Water by the River

It seems that our two Rivers are approaching the same ocean...

Maybe soon we will be selling Water by the River and laughing at the illusion and ultimate joke of that activity, and throwing Koans at the waves of the River. But hey, what else is there to do than (hopefully) celebrating manifestation, enjoying creation/manifestation for Infinity, and...

Selling Water by the River

 

PS: Now the Backup-Koan, since all of the above is just illusion:

Basho: The old pond, A frog jumps in: Plop!

And: Who is hearing these words right now?

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4 minutes ago, meta_male said:

Honestly, some of this language feels dehumanising and self-contradictory. Talking about people as "rat-like" and labelling critics as "enemies" seems more controlling than freeing.

Both things are true. Humans behave in rat-like ways and this work has enemies. These are realities we have to work around. I wish it were otherwise but here we are.

I don't think of people as enemies but if you think people out there don't see Actualized.org as an enemy you don't know people.

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Of course people are going to put you on a pedestal...you've helped change a lot of lifes. But you also position yourself as their leader in "this work", even if it's only in between the lines.

Being a leader does not mean I want special adoration.

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You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity.

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Explore concept that has been a ponderance of art for many a year: to separate art, from artist.


Deal with the issue now, on your terms, in your control. Or the issue will deal with you, in ways you won't appreciate, and cannot control.

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13 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Then they will claim it was obvious.

If it turns out to be the way you wanted it to be , thats cool, but thats not the question. The question is how qualified you are when it comes to  judging how good/bad it will turn out to be and what health effects it will have?  If it actually turns out to be good, you will pretend that it wasnt luck and you will frame it as some kind of conscious calculation. 

If Rfk jr would create a new drug that would turn out to be effective that would be cool, but lets not pretend that the dude has good intuitions and knowledge about how different chemicals can affect your body. You dont retrospecitvely judge these decisions, you want certain protocols to be in place before shit goes down.

Yes, you are not like him ,but you are nowhere near a doctor or an expert - again you are good at tripping, but you have no expert level domain knowledge on the physical effects.

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15 minutes ago, zurew said:

If it actually turns out to be good, you will pretend that it wasnt luck and you will frame it as some kind of conscious calculation. 

My retreat has nothing to do with luck. Only a fool would frame it that way.


You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity.

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1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I will give you all the necessary theory at the retreat. Don't worry about it.

I just wanted to know about that. 👍

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34 minutes ago, Water by the River said:

But WHAT is watching all of these Alien/Divine/whatever consciousness/arising/imaginings? All of that x/y/z/n+1/Alien/Divine/... consciousness is... temporal imagined arising(s). Even human/Alien/Divine consciousness is not the Absolute Looker/Subject/Reality/Being, but an appearance. Temporal, arising within THAT, and gone a bit later. Watched by WHAT? In WHAT? Made out of WHAT?

What watches all of that? What never changes?

YOU! The answer you're looking for is YOU. But you're not merely any answer, no, you are the Grand Mystery. Duh.


JHWH·LILA·VIBV

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32 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't think of people as enemies but if you think people out there don't see Actualized.org as an enemy you don't know people.

Even if it's true that some humans behave like rats, isn’t it more powerful to speak with the compassion we wish they had?

34 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Being a leader does not mean I want special adoration.

True, wanting adoration and receiving it aren't necesseraliy the same. You've reapeated it over and over, yet people still do it. You believe it's impossible to dismantle the structure that enables that dynamic? 

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Yes, the demi-Gods' realm of consciousness, I have had two similar experiences, and they are very mischievous, but they are below me in fact, they are me. As for celebs and sports stars, I have never put them up on a pedestal and never will. I hope one day these overpaid humans will be a thing of the past, and that goes for that dreadful, barbaric gladiator sport, MMA. never watched it, and I never will.

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8 minutes ago, meta_male said:

Even if it's true that some humans behave like rats, isn’t it more powerful to speak with the compassion we wish they had?

I prefer to keep things real.

Never forget that humans will eat you alive given the right circumstance. Your compassion will mean nothing to them. They will tear you apart like a pack of dogs.

I have no illusions about human nature.

Humans are evil, ignorant creatures.

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You believe it's impossible to dismantle the structure that enables that dynamic? 

It is not. The more god-like one behaves the more worshop one will get no matter what. Because humans worship God. This has nothing do with me.

Why do humans like me? Because I communicate godly things. That's also why they hate me.

Edited by Leo Gura

You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity.

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5 minutes ago, Jehovah increases said:

Yes, the demi-Gods' realm of consciousness, I have had two similar experiences, and they are very mischievous

That's how they appear out of the perspective of the human ego.

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but they are below me

How?


JHWH·LILA·VIBV

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The type of people that I would meet at the retreat alone would be a crazy experience in itself. Let alone the value Leo would bring into the retreat.


What assumptions, beliefs, or illusions am I under right now?

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4 minutes ago, vibv said:

That's how they appear out of the perspective of the human ego.

How?

Funny thing is, I have never been part of any religion ever, except I did take a liking to the Hindu religion recently, so it most probably was from that. Why are they below me because I am God.

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2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Never forget that humans will eat you alive given the right circumstance. Your compassion will mean nothing to them. They will tear you apart like a pack of dogs.

You've dedicated your life to teaching people how to realise they're God. But if you still believe they behave like rats and dogs...what's the point of teaching them?

Do you ever see that behaviour in yourself too?

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It is not. The more god-like on behaves the more worshop one will get no matter what. Because humans worship God.

I am a human and I don't worship you. Doesn't that disprove it's inevitable humans worship someone behaving god-like?

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wtf is with all the leo attacks in this thread. chill a bit, i love the initiative of an actuallized retreat

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@emil1234 These are honest, good faith questions and there should absolutely be space for this kind of dialogue here. It's not more attacking than how Leo sometimes addresses his forum members, fair is fair. Might even help him off his pedestal.

Everyone can still support the retreat while allowing room for critical thinking.

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17 minutes ago, Jehovah increases said:

Funny thing is, I have never been part of any religion ever, except I did take a liking to the Hindu religion recently, so it most probably was from that. Why are they below me because I am God.

Nothing is below God.


JHWH·LILA·VIBV

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