Owen Cook & Marczell Klein Free Tour NYC Notes 9/26/25 - 9/28/25

[nerdspeak]

@Miguel1

Is it healthy orange? A lot of what he does to clients, and tells clients to do, is very manipulative and has lots of red in it. 

I won’t say it’s always bad. Whether dealing with Owen is a net positive depend on where you’re coming from. If you would have become an incel otherwise, it’s a net benefit. 

You could argue, anyone who gets sucked into a guru trip with Owen, would have got sucked into some other guru trip. For whatever reason they’re resistant to or can’t afford therapy, and Owen is better than most manosphere figures. 

In my case, I probably would have been fine dating normally without the guru trip with Owen. I got sucked in during a weird moment in my life when I was isolated studying abroad. But otherwise before getting sucked in I had lots of friends, including female friends, and would hook with one every once in a while. 

Without Owen, I would have had fewer sex partners but healthier relationships and wouldn’t have spent so much time and energy on night game, which has huge opportunity costs. I also would have alienated less of my college social circle.

Moreover, for people who really buy into the guru thing and adopt the whole belief system he promotes, any benefits in meeting-women skills are mostly counteracted by the paranoid worldview he pushes in order to keep guys in the product cycle. That worldview is very destructive to relationships. 

Some of the brass-tacks info he provides is valuable, like thinking of dating as a funnel. Some if that even it’s pretty questionable, like spam approaching regardless of IOIs. But even if you say it’s all good, you can get the same information from more neutral sources that don’t deliberately cultivate fear and dependence in their audience. 

[Twentyfirst]

3 hours ago, Miguel1 said:

@nerdspeak Are you sure you are not way overthinking this?

He is teaching "healthy" orange stuff. And orange is about maximizing profit. He simply does what he preaches.

 

How much money could him or someone like Tai even be making if they have to scam low 8 figure amounts? By now after decades of grinding all day, being connected to presidents, having million dollar clients, selling 9 figure businesses, investing in BTC early they should have like a billion easy

Unless they blew it all on lifestyle but even that should be taken care of from the interest made on their wealth 

[Leo Gura]

5 hours ago, nerdspeak said:

So, if he says things have gotten so catastrophically bad that you need to be a psychopath just to date,

This is definitely a toxic view and a pathetic rationalization of Owen's corrupt ways.

Being a psychopath isn't just not needed, it is wrong and will harm one's development.

[Leo Gura]

You should notice the kinds of people that Owen surrounds himself with: Tai Lopez, Derek Moneyberg, etc.

Scammers, rapists, psychopaths, sociopaths, narcissists, criminals.

This is not an accident. It is a consequence of his worldview and level of development.

Edited 12 hours ago by Leo Gura

[AION]

Owen is very tit for that. If you want to get in his circle you have to offer equal value. If you are a broke ass brother you are just a leech in his eyes trying to profit from his position which is true from his perspective. 

[Zen LaCroix]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

This is definitely a toxic view and a pathetic rationalization of Owen's corrupt ways.

Being a psychopath isn't just not needed, it is wrong and will harm one's development.

He doesn't encourage people to be psychopaths. As far we know there's certain brain wiring and brain chemistry involved in that as well. He encourages people to embody some of the traits because he sees what type of guys get laid the most. He talks much more about spirituality in his talks. It's just not something I care too much about. 

At these events where most of what is said will never go on youtube you kinda get what you want. If you're really spiritual most of what you get might be the spiritual stuff. If you're focused more on girls or business that you get a lot of info on those. Those are the three things he discusses most dating, business and spirituality. People mostly focus on and ask questions based on what their RAS is tuned into.

[Zen LaCroix]

The comments here are way too focused on Owen. Get the information and run with it. No need to love his entire lifestyle or worldview if you don't want to. I certainly don't and I don't feel the need to. He teaching how to have a great dating life and do amazing in business these are stage Orange things. Some of you guys need to stop finger wagging about stage orange as if you are holier than thou.

[Zen LaCroix]

13 hours ago, ZenSwift said:

@Zen LaCroix

 

Thankyou for the post. I found some great insights to chew on. 

 

Could you please elaborate on each of these insights? I'd love to understand these deeper. 

 

• "Need a sense of urgency that it has to happen now" 
• "All change happens when you step out of your current identity" 
• "Make love to every word you say"
• "Easiest way to change your life is through hypnosis" <especially this one

"Need a sense of urgency that it has to happen now" - They basically said you will just waste time and always procrastinate your dreams. And even if you go after it you will just dabble and move too slow to make real change. You need a psychotic levels of momentum to change your situation when you're starting from 0. We have massive amounts of normalcy bias that will keep us stuck and not pursuing our dreams as if we really mean to make it happen

"All change happens when you step out of your current identity" - The person you are now is what created the life you have. You need to take the right actions towards getting what you want and that will not be something you identify with. Ex. approaching lots of women can be a step out someones identity. Taking action towards your business goals etc.

"Make love to every word you say" - Sid was teaching us how to sound confident, sexy and authoritative. This was just a metaphor. He wanted us to talk as if each word is a juicy buffalo wing. A lot of the event was about speaking loud and clear.

"Easiest way to change your life is through hypnosis" - Marczell Klein one of the speakers who also has a youtube channel by the same name is a hypnotist and pushes that the easiest way to change your life is to hypnotize yourself into being confident. Instead of taking years to build confidence hypnotism can make you confident and you now have the self-belief and sense of deservedness to get what you want in life.

[Zen LaCroix]

14 hours ago, ZenSwift said:

@Zen LaCroix

 

Thankyou for the post. I found some great insights to chew on. 

 

Could you please elaborate on each of these insights? I'd love to understand these deeper. 

• "Create a second personality" 
• "You need to be able to communicate with full self-belief" 
• "Need a sense of urgency that it has to happen now" 
• "Unless you light a fire under your ass it ain’t gonna happen" 

 

Thankyou. 

•  

"Create a second personality" - Marczell Klein has a 10k MK Ultra style course where he claims to truamatize you and install an new personality into you. 

"You need to be able to communicate with full self-belief" - This is self explanatory. You need to fully believe in yourself and it should be clear in your communication. You should be speaking with full conviction and not an ounce of doubt

"Unless you light a fire under your ass it ain’t gonna happen" - You will make excuses for why you can't go for your dreams. You will just end up procrastinating forever. And even if you do start you will dabble. You gotta go extremely fast. No rushed but take so much action to get from 0 to 1. Fire under your ass is a metaphor. If you don't go hard you just will not accomplish your dreams.

Edited 10 hours ago by Zen LaCroix

[nerdspeak]

16 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

How much money could him or someone like Tai even be making if they have to scam low 8 figure amounts?

Con artists tend to get conned and lose large amounts at once. Greedy, dishonest people are the easiest to steal from. 

I don’t know about Tai, but Owen made almost no money from RSD beyond his expense account. His partner conned him out of everything. 

All the money he’s made that’s his, he’s made since 2019.