Owen Cook & Marczell Klein Free Tour NYC Notes 9/26/25 - 9/28/25

[Zen LaCroix]

The speakers included Owen Cook, Marczell Klein, Sid Samtaney, Zac and Damon

Day 1

Limiting beliefs come down to you not believing you can

Everything you do should come from what you want

Biggest limiting belief is that it takes a long time

If you change your mindset you change your life quickly

Anyone who has success in anything isn’t doing from a difficult paradigm

Beliefs and Desires conflict and create inner conflict

Stop thinking it’s hard

When you look a tour life that’s what you optimized for

If you wanna improve your life optimize for want you want

Guy with delusional confidence wins

Invisible mental barrier, limiting beliefs create an internal war inside

Best skill is to liberate yourself from limiting beliefs

Charisma, Internal self-belief and going after it

Best skill - skill to control my own thoughts and feelings

Confidence 

We living in a confidence hierarchy. Whoever has the most confidence is the alpha

Marczell went out and approached lots of girls and got addicted to feeling confident

His intention wasn’t to get with a girl it was to become more confident

At 15 he could approach and girl in any situation

If your goal is sex and you don’t get it. Confidence goes down

(When going out its best to not make the goal sex make it something else)

When you’re confident your brain just picks up the skill with no limitation

His goal was to get over his fear of rejection

Simplify things to understand them and so you can actually use the information

You can be hypnotized to be confident

(Mentalism)

You want to program your mind so that there’s no conflict within. You are fully aligned with your goal

Change doesn’t mean time ti just means change

Owen, Marczell & Sud

Owen is extremely intense. The most intense person I’ve ever met in my life. He has fire and aggression in him

Being proactive not reactive

Be at the cause not the effect

Owen looks rich. The jewelry glistens. The glasses the shirt look high quality

If you want permanent change you must change at the identity level and you can’t remember what it was like

Flow state connect conscious and subconscious

A man with strength of mind is very attractive

Few celebrities have confidence. They’re also scared to approach women

You gotta be swinging you gotta be taking risks

Very few people aware in the mindset of taking action past their comfort zone

The passive meek attitude accumulates

Being a good hunter means you’re willing to take risks

Be willing to fail

See lanes, see opportunity

Abundance is required internally to be successful

Jealously comes from you believing you ant get what someone else has

Everything you do when you have money is for you to have you money

There’s a promotion oriented brain and a prevention oriented brain

Rain the stakes

Run into the burning building (metaphorically)

Once I commit to doing it I will figure out the solution

You have to win you have no choice

Everything intentional the way he moves his hands, dresses etc

Easiest way to change your life is through hypnosis

Create a second personality

Sid Samtaney - Extreme intensity even more so than Owen sometimes like woah

Breaking tension hurts your perceived status

The ability to hold tension is an indicator light

Breaking tension shows sometimes is messed up with you and a lack of self-belief

Boldness

Need to know you can take up space and nothing happens and you get proof not promises

Confidence is a reflection of you self-belief

The self belief has to be pure. Your foot can’t be on the gas and the break at the same time

You’re in a freakish amount of momentum

Everything and the kitchen sink must be throw at it

Flow state makes work more fun and effective

Jobs are bullshit and they exhaust you

When you are at the job you are at the mercy of a boss

Getting rich

Absolute value for time

Time + focus + momentum

It’s a war for time, focus and momentum

Everything is out there to deplete you. You gotta fight and guard your time

When people gossip tune out

Once you’re rich its easy to get richer since you’re in the right circles

Spiritual ascension

You’re at the cause not the affect

Everything is easier

Vibrations are contagious

Need to find something you can start getting money in and do it after your job

Permanent work is idiotic

Build the principle

Live off what it pays you

Get 100% of your time back

If you have a job you will rot away in a nursing home

You know you have a good relationship because its not hard

A vibe of valuing your time

A vibe of being at the cause not the effect

The key is confidence and you need nothing from anybody else

People pleasing is taking

If you’re giving there and inconcious belief you will receive

Crack in the Dam

Time efficient

Potent Energy

Virility

Get back time, focus and momentum

Being an emotionally regulated source of grounding energy

Problems

Gatekeepers, to much money to start

Miasma

Container events

Build a big network

Charisma

Social Skills

Personal Branding

The skills you get from going out meeting girls helps you get millions

Day 2

Higher Purpose

Day to Day Motivations

Lower Purpose (Pain)

What is the cost of not doing this stuff?

You don’t need motivation, motivation is fleeting

This is all psychological

Motivation is an entry level paradigm

You need to have clarity on your vision

Compile your notes into action steps

Buy into your own vision

We value what we invest into

Fear is an entry level paradigm

0 - 1 is the hardest step. The first step is the hardest step

Need to be ruthlessly consistent

“I’d rather die than have a job”

I am going to be this and the alternatives death

Speaking loud is an exertion of your nervous system

similar to a boxer knocking someone out

a sprinter sprinting

Your nervous system should fire

Acceptance of pressure

Handle adrenaline

You’re going into the abyss

If you’re not continually going into the unknown. You’re going too slow

Train the mind and the body to handle adrenaline

Are you gonna die doing this?

Act first then course correct later

Mind can loop on downsides when afraid

Fear is really excitement

If you want freedom you will have to take it

It’s the bold people who make the real/impact

The ultimate high comes from not dying after going outside the comfort zone

Your mindset is just a strategy to get things in life

Mindset

Beliefs

Emotions

Patterns

Your beliefs are just a strategy to either not die or get what you want

What minute gets me to be rich and have an amazing dating life

Change happens now

Confidence is a belief that you will get what you want

You know that you’re changed because you’re all in 

You actions say where you are

 

Weight loss

 

Eat carbs 30 -60 mins after 3x a week lifting

4 days not working out no carbs

 

What do I want?

What are you doing wrong that’s not getting you the result?

You’re always in a trance. Find out what trance you’re in

When you try it implies you can’t do it

Have a goal and figure it out

You have to have the obsession acquire servant syndrome

What do they want?

What are they scared of?

Focusing on rejection is low caliber thinking

People who take extreme ownership of their situation get ahead

Subversive

 

Elites - Psychopaths

Masses - On autopilot, numb

Regular people - connected to God

Flywheel - when it speeds up it lives off the power of its own momentum

If you don’t have access to a flow state you’re a puppet

EVERYTHING FROM A YOUNG AGE IS DESIGNED TO GET YOU TO LISTEN TO AUTHORITY

Conscious non-resistance

Find something so profound to you it’d make you cry

Learn the ancillary skills

The skills that bring your vision to life

Public speaking

Leadership

Marketing

Social Skills

Study click-bait and thumbnails

You gotta learn how to have kids so you gotta learn dating

The worst thing that can happen to you is staying the same and getting what you want

Pick Up

A process of personal alchemy and dedication

The best gift that women give to men is rejection

As a man you have to have a penetrative energy

MASTER HIERARCHY

Allows ugly, short meant to have the sex life of a god

To the girls be more

Hilarious

Comfortable with yourself

In states

Leader

Having it down to where its like getting a sandwich out the fridge

Be out of your head. Alpha makes are out of their head

When you have the transformation life gets so fun. His life is just so fun everywhere he goes

Marczell’s vibe is an I don’t give a fuck vibe

You want be very spiritual and also be like a psychopathic narcissist 

Day 3

It’s always better to be in the moment when approaching a girl

The moment you want to retreat like a turtle in its shell go and do the action

Anytime you’re under pressure relax

Anytime you’re in your control muscle over release something will be off

Be in your release muscle

Foot on the gas not the brakes

THE GIRLS WANT A GUY WHO’S NOT IN THE BOX OF SOCIETAL CONDITIONING

Over time of getting in a flow state often your baseline state increases

Push yourself but hot to the point where you’re incongruent

Ramp up your state

Don’t use crutches

Slow is smooth and smooth is fast

Practice moving and speaking like molasses

People move towards value, strength and status

ALWAYS CONTROL THE FRAME

In ever mammalian species the top 1% of males mate with 80% of the women

Get it in your head that for the rest of your lie you will be aware of how you’re coming across

Avoid being meek

Speak life a juicy buffalo wing

 Be positive dominant

You need to have a core of strength

Fully own yours even if you are stifled

The leader is strong. Weak person cannot be trusted by particularly women

You’re gonna have people try to shame you and put you back in your box when you are transforming

Everyone has to face their demons it may not be comfortable

What is your version of hiding? 

Me- Being quiet, smiling sometimes

Don’t put on a character. No mask

The mask comes on when we are uncomfortable being ourself

There’s has to be something in you that want to conquer that wants to win

A part of you that is not tame , not giving a fuck

Trying for rapport tonality brings out aggression in others

Speak in breaking rapport

Voice should inflate downward

Stop looking at good looking men as your role model

Look at short unattractive men who get a lot of girls as role models

Vitality

Fearless

Hilarious

Owen’s last girlfriend at 45 was 20 years old

Be honest that a good looking 6’5” guy and a short guy are gonna have to go about dating very differently

Go on a rampage

Clarity- You need to explain business model very clearly and explain cash flow

Explain the psychology behind the whole ting

You need to be able to communicate with full self-belief

What’s your motivation? Why are you in this?

Time cost. Energy cost.

Everything in life has a price

Need a sense of urgency that it has to happen now

Unless you light a fire under your ass it aint gonna happen

We have extreme normalcy bias

Owen and Sid constantly feel like they’re moving too slow

You have to get unstuck. Unfuck yourself

You are always in your own way self-sabotaging

All change happens when you step out of your current identity

If you’re not caught in you will stay stuck

You must have self-belief

Create a very unique lifestyle. You can do so an an entrepreneur

Your presence should say I am a guy that fucks. I’m a guy that gets p*ssy

You need to get horny for the girl. Extremely important

Look at her and figure out something that will get  you horny about her

Gotta believe you’re game is good

All stress is self-induced

Status is in your mind

Believe you are higher status than others

Need to have a healthy level of narcissism and believe you are better than others to get what you want

If you focus on the future what you wanna become you can become that

Protect your focus like your life depends on it

RAS should focus on the good

Learn from your failures but only replay the wins in your head

Let go of the story you tell yourself about your life

(Owen eating rice crispy treats)

Approach anxiety comes from you being one person in your life and another when you approach the girls

Owen going out 4 -5 hours a day everyday

Don’t be a coward

Who you are in between sets and when you aren’t approaching is really important. Can’t be putting on a character when you approach

Make no mistake tis is a course that teaches ugly short men who to get beautiful women

Bathe in the tension

Owen and Sid use aggressive body language that physically riles them up and adds to their intensit

Be able to generate different facial expressions and emotions at will

Make love to every word you say

Edited September 30 by Zen LaCroix

[Leo Gura]

Great stuff.

Owen is peak Orange. But many people need that.

[Raze]

I lose respect in Owen because of many people he surrounds himself with. Marczell is an obvious arrogant grifter and he posts the dumbest stuff imaginable on his Instagram where he tries to use tragic world events to get a following. 

He also worked with Luke and Derek despite many reports of them scamming people.

Edited September 30 by Raze

[Recursoinominado]

This Marczell is one of the worst guys I've seen partnering with Owen, a huge, shameless grifter and all-around asshole.

My instincts scream red flag with that guy.

Also, of course, a huge Trump supporter and constantly spreads fake news/conspiracy theories.

Every major event that happens, he starts posting non-stop, all sorts of unhinged theories to get attention at any cost. 

I remember when those big fires in LA happened this last time, he was posting like 8 reels a day and 20 stories saying shit like: "SOMETHING HUGE IS HAPPENING GUYS, PREPARE YOURSELVES, I THINK THE GOVERNMENT IS ONTO SOMETHING". Implying that it was a terrorist attack or something. 

Of course, he doesn't believe in any of that; he was freaking people out just to make more money out of a tragic event. 

He and Owen are best buddies. 

Edited Tuesday at 11:36 PM by Recursoinominado

[Leo Gura]

You guys just need to accept that pickup guys have zero ethics and they are scammers at heart.

But a scammer can still teach you some inner and outer game.

Pickup is sex-business. Of course it is scummy. It is like the porn business. Saints don't go into the porn business.

Edited Wednesday at 12:02 AM by Leo Gura

[Raze]

I disagree. I find the ones with legitimate advice tend to be much less corrupt. 

I’ve never heard of Owen legitimately scamming people or being engaged in criminality. 

Luke or Derek on the other hand actually did according to many reports, and their advice is was always largely bad and unoriginal. 

Edited Wednesday at 01:02 AM by Raze

[Terell Kirby]

Realizing how hard it is to escape the rat maze in your 30s, 95% of it is mental complacency.

Thanks for sharing your notes!

[Leo Gura]

18 minutes ago, Raze said:

I’ve never heard of Owen legitimately scamming people or being engaged in criminality. 

Scamming is a mindset more than a legal category. Owen certainly has the mind of a scammer.

One of the dimensions of clinical narcissism is exploitation of others. That's why all these PUAs are scammers. It really means they are narcissists with the exploitation dimension. They see no problem exploiting women or men as long as they can get away with it.

Pickup is the exploitation of women for personal gain. So of course.

You guys are lucky that my exploitation score is zero. Otherwise you would be so fucked.

Edited Wednesday at 01:19 AM by Leo Gura

[Zen LaCroix]

1 hour ago, Recursoinominado said:

This Marczell is one of the worst guys I've seen partnering with Owen, a huge, shameless grifter and all-around asshole.

My instincts scream red flag with that guy.

Also, of course, a huge Trump supporter and constantly spreads fake news/conspiracy theories.

Every major event that happens, he starts posting non-stop, all sorts of unhinged theories to get attention at any cost. 

I remember when those big fires in LA happened this last time, he was posting like 8 reels a day and 20 stories saying shit like: "SOMETHING HUGE IS HAPPENING GUYS, PREPARE YOURSELVES, I THINK THE GOVERNMENT IS ONTO SOMETHING". Implying that it was a terrorist attack or something. 

Of course, he doesn't believe in any of that; he was freaking people out just to make more money out of a tragic event. 

He and Owen are best buddies. 

Marczell was selling a 10k hypnotism event where he does some MK Ultra style reprograming in a 2 day 24 hour event. The speech he gave was good. You learn a lot just watching them communicate and their vibe and way of selling.

He was also hypnotizing people in the crowd. I went home that day falling asleep and for some reason I felt like I was him. That was for the first and second day of the free tour. I was like wow maybe it does work. I don' t know. I didn't pay for the event

Marczell is even more stage orange than Owen. Owen loves spirituality he was talking about it. Marczell was all about women, cars, celebrities, money, traveling, rich people. I'm stage orange too though so it resonated with me

 

[Zen LaCroix]

Going to the free tour vs watching a short video online are two different experiences

On the first day I was inspired my mind opened up to the possibilites of life

By the last day i felt like i was at rock bottom. I saw the gap between me and them and the life I'd been living. It's made so clear. You see people who were there last year as well and they haven't changed you can see it in their eyes. I havent' changed either. and I'm just like is there something else that's missing. some of these guys even paid for bootcamps

In this industry there is a bias towards guys who just do it. You gotta figure out the emotional regulation stuff on your own since they dont' teach it.

I asked two guys who went on the bootcamp how much they approached one guy did 10 and another guy did 2 and just left

[Zen LaCroix]

52 minutes ago, Terell Kirby said:

Realizing how hard it is to escape the rat maze in your 30s, 95% of it is mental complacency.

Thanks for sharing your notes!

You're welcome

They addressed that at the free tour. You should go to one. It's very different from watching a youtube video. they say things that will not be put on youtube

Even if you don't buy anything just listening to the talk is very insightful

[Leo Gura]

Free Tours can be very inspiring, especially if you are just starting out and don't have a network of wingmen yet.

Just stay mindful of corruption in the teachings. No problem.

[Lyubov]

On 10/1/2025 at 5:32 AM, Leo Gura said:

Just stay mindful of corruption in the teachings. No problem.

Easier said than done though. You can learn all sorts of stuff from all sorts of people, you can learn how to butcher meat properly from a serial killer. You can learn how to sell stuff well from Trump. Strange comparisons but what I want to illustrate is that I don’t believe in hand waving away learning from scammers and people unaligned with truth even if they are good at something. You should really strive to learn only from people who value truth honest and integrity or you will eventually have you hitched wagon taken down by the poison you injected along with their advice. This has a massive hidden long term cost associated with it which I myself have paid. I’ve gone full circle with pick up and realized there is far more wrong with learning from these scammers than there isn’t.

From my experience if you don’t learn from people aligned from truth you are going to poison your own water eventually while getting good at things which ultimately won’t lead anywhere. Basically you’ll have to knock your house down to address the foundation and I’d like to share some wisdom with guys here who are starting their foundation. Learn from guys who you know you could trust and wouldn’t use you. Look into their pasts. Did they have all sorts of falling outs with friends? Do they feel like a salesman? There are guys teaching this material who are not so scammy and there are approaches which don’t require paying these grifters. Trust your gut. Don’t put energy into these scammers. Thank god I only lost about $1000 to RSD before I caught on that you can learn the same stuff other ways without polluting your belief system by “befriending” scammers.

Edited Friday at 09:24 AM by Lyubov

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Lyubov said:

that I don’t believe in hand waving away learning from scammers and people unaligned with truth even if they are good at something. You should really strive to learn only from people who value truth honest and integrity

This is not a correct attitude.

There is much to learn from even shady people. Especially when it comes to skills like dating, marketing, sales, business, investing, leadership, communication, self-defense, etc.

I easily learn from everyone. I learned a lot from Owen and I clearly see all his flaws. No problem.

Of course I am able to do that because of my deep epistemic foundations and commitment to truth. Without that, yeah, people get lost. But if you study my work seriously it will innoculate you against Owen-style corruption.

I can still learn new things from Owen in the Stage Orange domain he specializes in, because he has so much experience in it, more than me.

Learn from everyone. Trust no one.

Edited Friday at 10:59 AM by Leo Gura

[theleelajoker]

Im 90% with @Lyubov

 Just being around these people, you don't pick up just the valuable information in dealing with people and situations. If you want it or not, you also pick up their energy re morals and ethics. It happens by sheer exposure.  IMO, everybody saying "I am immune to that" is BS him/herself.

Does not mean you should not learn from those people - just saying it has a price tag that is typically revealed later. 

[Leo Gura]

47 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

If you want it or not, you also pick up their energy re morals and ethics. It happens by sheer exposure.  IMO, everybody saying "I am immune to that" is BS him/herself.

Of course the corruption rubs off. You are not immune. But life is messy and dirty. You cannot be too moralistic as you are getting started. There will be some collateral damage to becoming successful and wise. Corruption will happen and then later you will undo it.

It's like solving a Rubik's Cube. You move some pieces into the right place at the cost of misaligning other pieces. There is no solving a Rubik's Cube perfectly.

[Daniel Balan]

15 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course the corruption rubs off. You are not immune. But life is messy and dirty. You cannot be too moralistic as you are getting started. There will be some collateral damage to becoming successful and wise. Corruption will happen and then later you will undo it.

It's like solving a Rubik's Cube. You move some pieces into the right place at the cost of misaligning other pieces. There is no solving a Rubik's Cube perfectly.

If you don't do that, you live all your life at the mercy of more corrupt people. A life lived at the hands of corrupt devils is worse that doing a bit of corruption as you bootstrap yourself.

[theleelajoker]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course the corruption rubs off. You are not immune. But life is messy and dirty. You cannot be too moralistic as you are getting started. There will be some collateral damage to becoming successful and wise. Corruption will happen and then later you will undo it.

It's like solving a Rubik's Cube. You move some pieces into the right place at the cost of misaligning other pieces. There is no solving a Rubik's Cube perfectly.

I think it is an illusion to believe you can undo it later. You will have your subconscious mechanisms that will give you justifications to act like that and this. OC, you will say "I become so conscious it won't happen, I become so self aware I undo it all". Maybe in theory. Never seen it happen.

[Lyubov]

14 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

This is not a correct attitude.

There is much to learn from even shady people. Especially when it comes to skills like dating, marketing, sales, business, investing, leadership, communication, self-defense, etc.

I easily learn from everyone. I learned a lot from Owen and I clearly see all his flaws. No problem.

Of course I am able to do that because of my deep epistemic foundations and commitment to truth. Without that, yeah, people get lost. But if you study my work seriously it will innoculate you against Owen-style corruption.

I can still learn new things from Owen in the Stage Orange domain he specializes in, because he has so much experience in it, more than me.

Learn from everyone. Trust no one.

Correction, I do agree with you there is much to learn from everyone and all sorts of lessons out there in life. I think where I’m coming from is that you have to be extremely careful, and by virtue following truth and trusting truth, the guidance you need to live life and choose your teachers, the way. Not following it will come with all sorts of unseen expenses. You have to be firmly planted in your truth. My inner guidance almost always firmly guides me away from anything Owen posts online, while there could be something I could learn from him, I’m so firmly honest with myself these days that god guides me from this so even some lesson I could maybe learn from him, it’s not the way for me. Which is what’s true for me. I want that for guys here to be able to distinguish. Maybe for you it’s different but I think the core of what I’m saying is do not sell yourself out for a bit of info you think you need at the expense of truth which is the foundation for your entire life. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Some individuals tend to have less discernment by default.

Being aware of this can mean it is simply cleaner and easier to steer clear of problematic characters than can muddy the water (so to speak). Less energy wasted sorting the wheat from the chaff & more on application of clean principal.

It can be safer to act in this way until one trusts in the development of their own discernment.