What am I and What are you

[Dodo]

Continously notice you are here and now as you read.

I see so many topics on here about this and that, and I believe the forum used to be much more rigorous about pointing out that without knowing who or what you are, all other topics are like building a house without a solid base. 

Topics about satanism - whaaaa, about spirits, afterlife, this or that. Who is asking, who is answering? What is asked and by who? 

Lets examine for a second, and see whether all those other topics even make sense to the real you, or they only make sense to your persona in time.  

I am always now. The word I refers to that which knows all senses, all perceptions and conceptions, meaning, all thoughts, feelings, etc.. all visual, auditory, sensory perceptions. That I which knows all those is always Here and Now and its effortlessly here and now.

What afterlife then, if I am always here now? Satanism is just a bad trip generator, a poor artist in creation, a weed in the garden. A bad movie. I am unstained by any movie, always here and now. What is a Satanist other than someone lost in his own mind? 

I am Prior to time and space. All I need to do is Be in the knowing of I in the nowness of it. The nowness of I is real. Thats awareness of awareness. Awareness of objectless Nowness. 

So what am I and What are you? 

Edited Wednesday at 09:59 PM by Dodo

[Hojo]

I am like a gravity ball under the curtains of reality.

[UnbornTao]

Sounds good! 

It's the ultimate koan.

[ExploringReality]

What is this I? Where am I? Where am I located? 

Beware of the voice narrating and claiming selfhood. You don't exist, you are not something which has consciousness, that's the illusion. Your imaginary. There is Existence, Reality, but you are not an object within existence. You are absolutely Nothing, you are indefinable, because there is nothing to hold onto as yourself. 

[Dodo]

29 minutes ago, ExploringReality said:

What is this I? Where am I? Where am I located? 

Beware of the voice narrating and claiming selfhood. You don't exist, you are not something which has consciousness, that's the illusion. Your imaginary. There is Existence, Reality, but you are not an object within existence. You are absolutely Nothing, you are indefinable, because there is nothing to hold onto as yourself. 

But im saying The empty nowness is actually real and self evident now.. and my empty nowness is the same darn thing as yoour empty nowness. Its the common root.

My nowness is not different to your nowness. I can actuallly hold on to the nowness as a sense of self, because its always present and its me

Edited Wednesday at 10:52 PM by Dodo

[Hojo]

@Dodo we all meet up in sleepy time. When we sleep we become the same entity.

[Sempiternity]

1 hour ago, Dodo said:

So what am I, and What are you? 

Consciousness, it's all within Consciousness. 

[ExploringReality]

54 minutes ago, Dodo said:

But im saying The empty nowness is actually real and self evident now.. and my empty nowness is the same darn thing as yoour empty nowness. Its the common root.

My nowness is not different to your nowness. I can actuallly hold on to the nowness as a sense of self, because its always present and its me

What is your idea of nowness? Is nowness a thing? You cannot hold onto it because it's empty. You cannot hold on to yourself. Yes there is Absolute Now, but our idea of this is not the territory. We have to admit that we don't actually know what now is. This isn't a bad thing, actually it's a very good thing, because people are so quick to fill in the emptiness with words or ideas that are not the same thing as to what they are pointing to. So being in a space of not knowing moves us closer to the reality of what now is.

Edited Wednesday at 11:45 PM by ExploringReality

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Yep, this is the Big One.

This contemplation eats

Just awareness. 

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Deep sleep.

[Eskilon]

The Strange-Looper.

@strangelooper Sup

[ivankiss]

If you look closely, title of this thread actually spells "I know better, please give me some attention".

How many views in order to stop being jelly?

[Mellowmarsh]

[Yimpa]

[Natasha Tori Maru]

We reflect on what it is that is witnessing the thoughts. WHAT is perceiving the feelings. What is witnessing that? Those things do not make up our substance. You have a thought - it comes, it goes. What is watching that? And if that watching can contain any thought, any perception - what must it be to be able to do this without any effects on the thought or perception? 

The subject in isolation with all objects removed.

Edited Thursday at 09:00 AM by Natasha Tori Maru

[Salvijus]

11 hours ago, Dodo said:

 I am Prior to time and space. All I need to do is Be in the knowing of I in the nowness of it. The nowness of I is real. Thats awareness of awareness. Awareness of objectless Nowness. 

So what am I and What are you? 

You exist on multiple levels. Yes you're awareness but physical body is also an aspect of you. You're also a mental being, you also have a psychological reality. You're also an energetic being and a soul, and yes you're pure awareness beyond everything. Awareness is cool and all but there is more to life than that. No need to be in denial about it. Every aspect of reality is you in the end so you might aswell embrace it. 

Edited Thursday at 09:50 AM by Salvijus

[theleelajoker]

2 hours ago, Salvijus said:

You exist on multiple levels. Yes you're awareness but physical body is also an aspect of you. You're also a mental being, you also have a psychological reality. You're also an energetic being and a soul, and yes you're pure awareness beyond everything. Awareness is cool and all but there is more to life than that. No need to be in denial about it. Every aspect of reality is you in the end so you might aswell embrace it. 

I like this answer. Yes yes pure awareness, but I am experiencing myself much more than that. 

"Every aspect of reality is you in the end so you might as well embrace it."

Simple guideline, but not always easy to execute  

[Dodo]

12 hours ago, ExploringReality said:

What is your idea of nowness? Is nowness a thing? You cannot hold onto it because it's empty. You cannot hold on to yourself. Yes there is Absolute Now, but our idea of this is not the territory. We have to admit that we don't actually know what now is. This isn't a bad thing, actually it's a very good thing, because people are so quick to fill in the emptiness with words or ideas that are not the same thing as to what they are pointing to. So being in a space of not knowing moves us closer to the reality of what now is.

I agree you cant hold it as an idea, but who is that holding it as idea, if not another idea. Im talking about the actual nowness that cannot be put in words. Since it is me that is aware now, that means I am that aware nowness, so I can hold on to That as my identity. Yes, not with words, but as the experience itself of knowing being

[Dodo]

2 hours ago, Salvijus said:

You exist on multiple levels. Yes you're awareness but physical body is also an aspect of you. You're also a mental being, you also have a psychological reality. You're also an energetic being and a soul, and yes you're pure awareness beyond everything. Awareness is cool and all but there is more to life than that. No need to be in denial about it. Every aspect of reality is you in the end so you might aswell embrace it. 

Well im not going to be following any of the Frank Yang spirituality where he has poetry about getting down on girls and presents the genitals as light 🤔.

 If you are young enjoy yourself, but at some point perhaps after an accident or just by getting older you understand you need to look for something more absolute for your peace than body and mind which are transient.

The body and mind are sensations and thoughts/ feelings appearing now and not essential to what I am because they constantly change, but the nowness is essential to what I am. Nothing else changes, just my identity.

[Dodo]

9 hours ago, ivankiss said:

If you look closely, title of this thread actually spells "I know better, please give me some attention".

How many views in order to stop being jelly?

Discussing consciousness here in direct practical way. If you want just tell me why I'm wrong or contribute in some way to the thread rather than this childish jelly thing, that would he great 

Edited Thursday at 12:33 PM by Dodo