Conservative activist, Charlie Kirk, has been shot and killed at University

[Hatfort]

A video of the timeline and scrutiny of many of the things that have been said.

 

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, zurew said:

No you are doing the 2 digit IQ, spiritually insecure ,epistemic caretaker is warranted move - where you are desperate to virtue signal how above all biases you are, and where you think you are higher than everyone,  while you are completely out of your depth on every fucking single issue,

And just where am I out of my depth?  In that the leftists propaganda promotes violence in this country ? It fucking does.  He had fascist engraved into the bullet casings. So prove me wrong on that one.   You even agreed to it in an earlier thread but now you are ripping me apart for it 

[Twentyfirst]

https://x.com/i/status/1968373381444813066

Cringe level: Infinity 

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

https://x.com/i/status/1968373381444813066

Cringe level: Infinity 

So why even post it?

Edited Thursday at 04:07 PM by Inliytened1

[zurew]

36 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

In that the leftists propaganda promotes violence in this country ? It fucking does.

Good one dude, another good round of engagement. Your claim was surely that there is some amount of promotion of violence on the left (like what a fucking weak claim, like how could that even be false, anyone can find any insane random person who includes him/herself in the same political party as you are), and not that there is at least as much (in fact you said more) than on the right.

Once you can take your balls and actually own up to what you said and dont shift claims and goalposts I will engage with you again, but until then good luck with being the spineless ,dishonest enlightened centrist who only exclusively has issues with the left.

41 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

In that the leftists propaganda promotes violence in this country ? It fucking does.  He had fascist engraved into the bullet casings. So prove me wrong on that one. 

Mr "being apolitical and contemplating and understanding multiple different perspectives and being above bias" can only fucking entertain one explanation and one contributing factor  and cant  imagine and entertain with his God-like enlightened awareness that there is any other explanation other than the promotion of violence on the left.

Again as much as you like to treat these things as just memes because you are unaffacted by them - getting your rights taken away, getting deported arent memes to people. Being mentally ill is another explanation and getting called evil, fascist, communist by Trump and both by mainstream and non-mainstream right wing media is another , seeing the promotion of racist things by the president of the united states and his acolytes (including charlie) is another and there are other possible explanations and contributing factors  - but even if you are right that he did it mainly because of lefist propaganda, that still wouldnt establish your claim about the left being worst than the right.

[Inliytened1]

19 minutes ago, zurew said:

Good one dude, another good round of engagement. Your claim was surely that there is some amount of promotion of violence on the left (like what a fucking weak claim, like how could that even be false, anyone can find any insane random person who includes him/herself in the same political party as you are), and not that there is at least as much (in fact you said more) than on the right.

Once you can take your balls and actually own up to what you said and dont shift claims and goalposts I will engage with you again, but until then good luck with being the spineless ,dishonest enlightened centrist who only exclusively has issues with the left.

 

I don't only have issues with the left but this is a leftist forum so if I have a neutral position if I were to go after the right here it would be perceived that I am boarding with left. There are almost no right wingers here at all.  That is plain to see. I'm not sure why.  Leo to me isn't known for his political views his popularity came from his spiritual views so I don't know how he attracted all these leftists. Maybe because he's left so his followers will be.  I really don't know.  But I can go crazy on the right I just don't do so here because I'm too busy playing devils advocate. 

Edited Thursday at 04:44 PM by Inliytened1

[zurew]

30 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

But I can go crazy on the right I just don't do so here because I'm too busy playing devils advocate. 

Oh in that case it was all memes on my side as well  - just playin around , treating these  things as a playing ground and as a tool to exercise and to virtue signal my enlightened mind - just as how unserious these issues needs to be taken, since no one is affected by them .

 

 

 

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No normal conservative (who actually holds any conservative values would want to be associated with Trump and his acolytes and would ever vote for Trump), the right now is the opposite of whatever a healthy conservative would stand for.

and if you want to make an honest comparison dont take fringe communist beliefs and compare that to the right, take the collection of democrat beliefs on issues and then compare them with the right. These two groups collectively arent even remotely the same when it comes to delusion.

 

 

The mature move is what Biden and Obama did - not being okay with political violence and explicitly talking about it that its not okay - but for this you dont have to pretend that the left is worst.

And just to be clear - Obama is being scorched by conservatives for saying at the end of his speech that he doesnt agree with charlie's political views (after talking about that political violence is not okay and after explicitly condemning the shooting) - while on the right they are calling for war - and not talking about fringe insane random rigtoids -  talking about elon musk, and a lot of mainstream and alternative media right wing figures where each has hundreds of thousands (and in some cases millions) of following.

 

Edited Thursday at 05:14 PM by zurew

[Jodistrict]

11 minutes ago, zurew said:

 

No normal conservative (who actually holds any conservative values would want to be associated with Trump and his acolytes and would ever vote for Trump), the right now is the opposite of whatever a healthy conservative would stand for.

 

Trump isn’t a conservative.  He never was.  Before he ran for president, he was a hero of the liberals.  He is an opportunist who knew that exploiting the reptilian fears of migration was a viable path to power.  The purpose of the new wave of censorship is to assure zero criticism of Israel.  There are some on the right who aren’t going to like that.

[Inliytened1]

36 minutes ago, zurew said:

Oh in that case it was all memes on my side as well  - just playin around , treating these  things as a playing ground and as a tool to exercise and to virtue signal my enlightened mind - just as how unserious these issues needs to be taken, since no one is affected by them .

 

 

 

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No normal conservative (who actually holds any conservative values would want to be associated with Trump and his acolytes and would ever vote for Trump), the right now is the opposite of whatever a healthy conservative would stand for.

and if you want to make an honest comparison dont take fringe communist beliefs and compare that to the right, take the collection of democrat beliefs on issues and then compare them with the right. These two groups collectively arent even remotely the same when it comes to delusion.

 

 

If you are saying just because I don't officially declare myself as Democrat or republican means I don't take matters seriously or have views on things you're wrong.  But the difference is I don't hail to one side.  As I said perspectives on various items may differ and to classify someone strictly on one side I think would be narrow minded.  Don't you? Who came out with the division anyway and why do we need to adhere to it?

Sure if you want to start going off on Trump let's do it.  There are a lot of problems with him.  

Edited Thursday at 05:36 PM by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

21 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

Trump isn’t a conservative.  He never was.  Before he ran for president, he was a hero of the liberals.  He is an opportunist who knew that exploiting the reptilian fears of migration was a viable path to power.  The purpose of the new wave of censorship is to assure zero criticism of Israel.  There are some on the right who aren’t going to like that.

Don't school @zurew on the facts he is politically aware.  

The US cant control Israel and Israel has its own fight.   If you were not a people that were persecuted for thousands of years then be careful to make judgements before you step into their shoes. Are you a Jew?  If not I would beckon you to take care before you attempt to speak for them. 

Edited Thursday at 05:34 PM by Inliytened1

[zurew]

I think Destiny's response is stupid and doesnt even work even taking all his main premises for granted (and I agree mostly with some of those premises).

For example lets say that its true that the vast majority on the right and who voted for Trump are actually in a completely sealed media bubble and facts doesnt matter, what matters is what the media tells them, because thats going to be the facts for them - This was his argument to establish that the condemnation of the shooting doesnt matter, because no amount of condemnation is enough when:

1) The alternative reality painted by the right wing media about your political party is such that there is no set of actions that could lift the hatred that they have towards democrats  (Like if you actually believe that all democrats are acting in an evil way, and the election was actually stolen and the vax was actually generated to kill people and to fuck with people and all higher up people are after you, global warming is a lie and your party and only Trump can save everyone from the corrupt and evil people etc , then why would you care about condemnations?)

2) There basically no condemnation (especially by mainstream figures) and chill on the right all usage of violent rhetoric is always excused, no matter how disgusting or violent the jokes and the nicknames and the accusations are.

 

 

Thats all fine, but none of that is an argument to do what Destiny did, because you want to affect non-voters to vote for your party.  This move is just playing into the black pill hopeless fatigue non-voters have about politics. And sure he can make the claim that "if those non voters cant bother to do the necessary research to clearly recognize that the two sides are not even remotely same, then its actually good for democracy to end and for everything to get even more fucked" - but if thats your position then why bother to do any poltical action at all and why stream about politics ?

So as long as the position is taken that its still worth to try to make non-voters to vote, then make all the moves that make it more likely (and that doesnt mean that you need to pretend that both sides are the same -  you can say that you condemn political violence and also say that the right is much worse when the selectively outraged piers morgan panel comes up). And you can also scorch the right for incting violence and calling for war - these things are all compatible , so you can both reinforce that the behavior the right engages in is very much not okay and also have the chance to affect non-voters.

Edited Thursday at 05:44 PM by zurew

[DocWatts]

I'm not even much of a fan of Hasan Piker, but here's %1000 on point here.

People sometimes ask me what the 'point' of large protests like No Kings are. And a large part of it is to push back against the atmosphere of fear which leads individuals and institutions to obey in advance.

The regime wants you to believe that their rule is inevitable, but in actuality it's incredibly weak and unpopular. Fear is contagious, but so is courage.

[Recursoinominado]

14 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

The regime wants you to believe that their rule is inevitable, but in actuality it's incredibly weak and unpopular. Fear is contagious, but so is courage.

Damn, this is fire!

[Jodistrict]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

Don't school @zurew on the facts he is politically aware.  

The US cant control Israel and Israel has its own fight.   If you were not a people that were persecuted for thousands of years then be careful to make judgements before you step into their shoes. Are you a Jew?  If not I would beckon you to take care before you attempt to speak for them. 

Here comes reactivity and the victimization identity to replace the devil's advocate.

[Inliytened1]

9 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

Here comes reactivity and the victimization identity to replace the devil's advocate.

You're playing a character too.  One who demonizes Israel 

 

[PurpleTree]

43 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

You're playing a character too.  One who demonizes Israel 

 

Israel is committing genocide or ethnic cleansing. Bibi has an arrest warrant by the International criminal court.

Please stop gaslighting us with your zio crap.

Sincerely Purp yours truly.

 

Here for you worldwide flotilla on the way. Beware Greta is coming.

 

[Elliott]

Kirk only had 1.7million followers. I feel like Fox news will die with boomers, what other hate propagandists does gen Z follow?

@Inliytened1 @carterfelder who do you like?

Edited Thursday at 08:23 PM by Elliott

[Leo Gura]

27 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Kirk only had 1.7million followers.

This is incorrect. He has way more than that.

[Elliott]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

This is incorrect. He has way more than that.

Has, he 6Xd in last 4 days.

Edited Thursday at 08:42 PM by Elliott

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Has, he 6Xd in last 4 days.

His audience is not being lost, it is being absorbed by some other right-wing epistemic pervert like Ben Shapiro.