Conservative activist, Charlie Kirk, has been shot and killed at University

[Jodistrict]

 

[Elliott]

49 minutes ago, carterfelder said:

 

Nazi propaganda. There's no indication he was killed for his debating. It's much more likely he was killed for his violent and bigoted rhetoric. 

Edited 11 hours ago by Elliott

[carterfelder]

10 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Nazi propaganda. There's no indication he was killed for his debating. It's much more likely he was killed for his violent and bigoted rhetoric. 

What is an example of his “violent” and “bigoted rhetoric?”

[Elliott]

27 minutes ago, carterfelder said:

What is an example of his “violent” and “bigoted rhetoric?”

 

 

[carterfelder]

25 minutes ago, Elliott said:

 

 

Grok:

Did Charlie Kirk really say the Nancy Pelosi home attacker should be bailed out? What’s the context?

Yes, Charlie Kirk did suggest that David DePape, who attacked Paul Pelosi (Nancy Pelosi’s husband) in their San Francisco home on October 28, 2022, should be bailed out. For those unfamiliar, DePape broke into the Pelosis’ home, asked “Where’s Nancy?”, and hit Paul Pelosi (then 82) with a hammer, fracturing his skull. DePape was held without bail, later convicted, and sentenced to 30 years in federal prison in May 2024.

Kirk’s comments came right after the attack, amid a swirl of right-wing conspiracy theories (since debunked) claiming the incident was a gay encounter gone wrong, not a politically motivated break-in tied to far-right rhetoric. On October 28, 2022, Kirk tweeted: “Shouldn’t Paul Pelosi’s attacker be released on cashless bail?” [Ref: 11]. Then, on his October 31, 2022, podcast (The Charlie Kirk Show), he doubled down while mocking the idea that conservatives were to blame:

“Why is the Republican Party, why is the conservative movement to blame for gay, schizophrenic nudists that are hemp jewelry-makers breaking into somebody’s home, or maybe not breaking into somebody’s home... Why has he not been bailed out? ... If some amazing patriot out there in San Francisco or the Bay Area wants to really be a midterm hero, someone should go and bail this guy out… Bail him out and then go ask him some questions.” [Ref: 30, 40, 41]

Kirk said he wasn’t defending the violence, stating, “I’m not qualifying it. I think it’s awful. It’s not right.” [Ref: 40]. His “bail him out” line was partly sarcastic, critiquing cashless bail policies pushed by some Democrats. He noted that in places like Chicago, people accused of serious crimes are often released without bail, but DePape was held because he targeted “the Pelosis.” The “ask him some questions” bit was a nod to the conspiracy theory, pushing to get DePape to “confirm” the false narrative. [Ref: 30, 35, 40]

This has resurfaced in September 2025 after Kirk’s death by shooting on September 10, 2025, at a Utah Valley University event where he was discussing trans mass shooters. Critics point to the irony given the topic of political violence, while supporters claim his comments were satirical or policy critique taken out of context. [Ref: 5, 32, 36]

[Ref: 11] is Kirk’s October 28, 2022, tweet about cashless bail for DePape.

[Ref: 30, 40, 41] are quotes from his October 31, 2022, podcast episode.

[Ref: 5, 32, 36] cover details about Kirk’s death and the resurfacing of the controversy in September 2025.

 

[Elliott]

@carterfelder Some amazing patriot needs to be a hero and bailout Tyler Robinson, lol. His bail is probably only 100k. The assasination was wrong, but this would be great!

 

The lol, makes it not violent rhetoric?, it's just sarcasm?

 

 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by Elliott

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Socrates said:

Also you misinterpreted tht evidence completely, all those "lefty" evidence are explicitly groyper protocol. He was as right wing as it gets in fact

We do not know that yet. We need more information.

I did not misinterpret, I was speculating based on very little information. And we are speculating still. The motives of the shooter are still unknown. Do not jump to conclusions. He could still be a leftist. Keep an open mind.

The Groyper theory is highly convenient for the left. Doesn't mean it has been proven.

Edited 8 hours ago by Leo Gura

[MightyMind]

@Elliott

2 hours ago, Elliott said:

Nazi propaganda. There's no indication he was killed for his debating. It's much more likely he was killed for his violent and bigoted rhetoric. 

Using the word, Nazi, is a reflection you've been programmed to view you're opposition as evil which leads to dehumanization of the "other" side. You're no better than those you oppose. In fact, this way of speaking encourages violence and bigotry. Why do moderators not call this out? 

Edited 8 hours ago by MightyMind

[zurew]

6 hours ago, Scholar said:

But we aren't talking about the most extreme actors on either side, we are talking about the majority of the voters of the given party and their representatives. It's not just the extreme alt right that is violent and radical for the republicans, it's the president of the united states, congressmen and women, judges, maintstream media outlets who are absolutely bonkers pro violence.

But have you considered @Inliytened1's feelings about edgy college kids on twitter saying bad stuff?

"Sure the president of the united states, congressmen and women, judges and all rightwing influencers both in mainstream and in non-mainstream media have been advocating for war and saying that it is a fight between good and evil, and that all democrats are fascists, evil , communists , want to take away your rights, and want to destroy everything etc, but have you considered that the left is worst because of college kids on twitter, bro?"

"And sure Biden and Barack Obama and other mainstream democratic figures all stated to calm down and to chill, and Donald Trump made justifications for why and how only the left is responsible for the existence of far right people, but again have you considered edgy college kids twitter though?"

"And sure 80% on the right still believes that the 2020 election was stolen , but again have you considered that extremely fringe violent minority on the left though?"

 

[Leo Gura]

Do not call people Nazis who aren't really Nazis. Be more accurate in your choice of labels.

[MightyMind]

@Scholar

6 hours ago, MightyMind said:

@Leo Gura "non violent talking is what the left is about". Sure, in the common person, they believe this. And yet there are no shortage of people who lean left, who are working in our schools and systems who see and say violence is a necessary tool to over turn the current paradigm. The left has a problem which it is still not acknowledging. If you want those on the right to take you seriously I encourage people to make an effort to look into what I'm referring to. 

 

6 hours ago, Scholar said:

Name a few of those individuals.

Thanks for asking. I'll share one video that reflects what I've been seeing for years. While yes, in this video it looks like these are communists, not democrat/liberal but it's a good example of the language I see left leaning people use. I think though this requires it's own thread to unpackage and add to over time to really make my case...which is that there are many who vote for and who pose as the left, who advocate for violence in order to achieve their aims. I believe if I show a few cases it will be dismissed and downplayed and so sometime in the next week or two, I'll start a thread to properly examine this. 

For clarity, I'm not here to argue one side is worse than the other. I think this is a common mistake I see many make. Truth is both sides have concerns which should be addressed and yet both sides have troubles with coming to terms with the shit in their own house - (which I will include communists into the left because they tend to conceal themselves with leftist causes) 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_PfFNetgkg

[Leo Gura]

Just as a general warning to you guys:

I see leftists here who are passionate about politics and take the danger of MAGA serious. However, I notice your political activism is starting to negatively affect your judgment, your truthfulness, your sense-making capacity, and even your humanity. Your passion for politics is starting to make your mind corrupt and biased.

Stay mindful of that. Do not trade truthfulness for partisan activism. Aim higher.

[Jodistrict]

Ok.  Let’s get real.  Charlie Kirk’s net work at the time of death is estimated at $12 million.  He had $4 million dollar estate in Scottsdale, Arizona.  He charged up to $100,000 for live speaking events.  Spreading hate and appealing to the reptilian mind is a highly profitable business.  It all boils down to money.  That is why grifters like Joe Rogan and Bill Maher turn to the right.  The Internet is an entertainment industry.

[Joshe]

4 hours ago, Elliott said:

 

 

Jesus. A top Fox host said the fix for homelessness is “involuntary lethal injection” - “just kill ’em.” The thing to understand is this isn't just one man's opinion - it's rhetoric that a good slice of the right would like, or at least can get on board with.

The left calls shit like this out for what it is all the time and when things get heated, idiots pop up talking about "both sides should tone it down.". I'm all for de-escalation when things get heated, but you don't meet "kill them" halfway.

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Joshe

[Kid A]

2 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

Spreading hate and appealing to the reptilian mind is a highly profitable business.

Unfortunately, more and more people will realize this and exploit it to the fullest. There's a reason why, at the moment, I'm more afraid of social media and algorithms than of nuclear war, even though it might be a little irrational. 

[Agoy]

I’ve only read bits of this thread so something like this may have been said, but I want to point out that there over 8.2 billion people on Earth, & all of us have different minds with unique thoughts and experiences, and therefore emotions that correspond to those unique thoughts and experiences. As these unique circumstances flow over years and years, they become more and more unique. When this happens within a system with as much corruption and selfishness as is the current case, then crazy shit happens. This is the way of the mass uneducated and underdeveloped mind

I have a really close friend who is probably the most truthful person I know. He’s autistic & became vegan early in life without family influence. He’s recently been getting really emotionally sad, depressed,  and nihilistic about the state of the world, the selfishness of humanity, the wars, and the fact that animals get treated the way they do and that most people don’t care. He’s affected by the way the world is way more than anyone else I know. And he is one of the kindest and most emphatic people I know. He is so authentic and truthful that it can shock people, including me. I’m pointing this out because I’ve been friends with him for > 15 years  & my primary interested is in exploring reality, being, mind etc, and I’m still surprised just how sad he is by the news. What I’m trying to illustrate is just how different we all respond to things

Obviously we can never excuse and just accept murder & psychopathy from anyone. And obviously it’s necessary to look at why awful things happen, where we need to improve, what ideas are dangerous, etc. But we equally need to recognise that corruption and selfishness in society, from the government, otherwise collectively, and (at root) individually, can & does lead to psychotic responses from psychotic people. And when there are 8.2 billion people on the planet, there are an insanely large number of people who are vulnerable of becoming psychotic due to lack of understanding of Consciousness, and therefore lack of understanding of how thoughts and feelings operate. This vulnerability of the ignorant mind is the nature way of the infinitely capable mind when ignorant. Intelligence, wisdom, honesty, development, & education from Truth & Consciousness can change this. And this starts with the individual. But not all of us are aware of how this works, and the ones that aren’t are vulnerable in every way imaginable, including to become psychopaths, or to become selfish in the way Charlie Kirk waS. This is why we all here must do what we can to help others be able to help themselves through understanding of Truth & Consciousness. I say this with empathy to & without judgement of the debate and arguing here because it obviously is a horrific incident & emotional responses are natural

Edited 6 hours ago by Agoy

[Leo Gura]

35 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

It all boils down to money. 

It all boils down to survival of the ego-mind. Charlie was a true believer in the Christian ideology he was indoctrinated into, and made a lucrative career indoctrinating others.

[Hojo]

Its called reddit brain. Reddit is a radical platform. I don't know if its bots but it has changed alot the past couple years.

Edited 6 hours ago by Hojo

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

Reddit is a radical platform.

Be careful over-generalizing. Reddit has a lot of great content. Only a small fraction of Reddit is toxic ideology. Reddit has millions of different communities. Don't lump them all into one. Reddit is a platform like YouTube. You can find toxic trash on YT too. Doesn't make YT bad or radical.

[Recursoinominado]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

We do not know that yet. We need more information.

I did not misinterpret, I was speculating based on very little information. And we are speculating still. The motives of the shooter are still unknown. Do not jump to conclusions. He could still be a leftist. Keep an open mind.

The Groyper theory is highly convenient for the left. Doesn't mean it has been proven.

It seems that the FBI is going to do all they can to hide if he is actually right-wing. 

All of this could be solved with one good interview of the shooter, but we are speculating as he was dead, if he is really a left-wing, the FBI would be active in showing the world that.