happiness/fulfillment as your highest value

[Spiral Wizard]

What happens when you put true happiness/fulfillment as your highest value and use truth as an effective tool towards that end? I would choose to live in self deception if it made me truly happy & fulfilled. But it doesn’t. It turns out, that true happiness is in alignment with wholistic & appropriate dosing of truth as you grow up into more and more truth.

It’s been my compass for 8+ years and worked pretty well up to this point. It helps balance and ground. Leo’s video opened me more towards prioritizing truth for its own sake but I’m still curious to hear more about the limitations of fulfillment as the top value.

 

[Salvijus]

Truth is the only thing that can fulfill you. There is no difference between the two. 

[Someone here]

I haven't finished Leo's video yet . He makes interesting points but whenever politics enters the chat I leave the chat. 

I do think that values are relative . Leo values Trurh the most .another person values happiness like myself .a third person values raw pleasure . 

Ask yourself this question: imagine you found aladdin genie and he told you do you want to know the ultimate truth or do you want to experience the ultimate happiness?  What would you choose ? It's really a challenging question. 

 

[Ishanga]

I wouldn't say Happiness/Fulfilment is a value, more of an Experience, and when Your intouch with Truth You naturally feel Happy and Fulfilled!

[Spiral Wizard]

7 hours ago, Ishanga said:

I wouldn't say Happiness/Fulfilment is a value, more of an Experience, and when Your intouch with Truth You naturally feel Happy and Fulfilled!

Fair enough! Another way of questioning it is: what’s your guiding compass/principle/goal? 

[theleelajoker]

11 hours ago, Spiral Wizard said:

What happens when you put true happiness/fulfillment as your highest value and use truth as an effective tool towards that end? I would choose to live in self deception if it made me truly happy & fulfilled. But it doesn’t. It turns out, that true happiness is in alignment with wholistic & appropriate dosing of truth as you grow up into more and more truth.

It’s been my compass for 8+ years and worked pretty well up to this point. It helps balance and ground. Leo’s video opened me more towards prioritizing truth for its own sake but I’m still curious to hear more about the limitations of fulfillment as the top value.

 

Funny I just commented on this in another thread.

I would choose happy and fulfilled but deceived over truth as well. Can't say that my happyness / fulfilment increased with truth.

Different approach: filter less with truth, more with body sensations? 

[Inliytened1]

11 hours ago, Spiral Wizard said:

What happens when you put true happiness/fulfillment as your highest value and use truth as an effective tool towards that end? I would choose to live in self deception if it made me truly happy & fulfilled. But it doesn’t. It turns out, that true happiness is in alignment with wholistic & appropriate dosing of truth as you grow up into more and more truth.

It’s been my compass for 8+ years and worked pretty well up to this point. It helps balance and ground. Leo’s video opened me more towards prioritizing truth for its own sake but I’m still curious to hear more about the limitations of fulfillment as the top value.

 

You do you man.  His point is to point you toward awakening.  If you align with Truth as your highest priority everything comes with Truth since Truth is fundamental and is existence itself.  Happiness and lack of suffering is content within that.  So it is all encompassing.  By doing this you incorporate absolutely everything.   However sometimes it's better to hold a distorted view of priorities as this will actually teach you world experience and give you wisdom.  So it doesn't matter how you slice a pizza it still tastes the same. 

 

 

[Nivsch]

I think that genuine long term happiness must be aligned with truth. 

[Cathy92506]

12 hours ago, Spiral Wizard said:

What happens when you put true happiness/fulfillment as your highest value and use truth as an effective tool towards that end? I would choose to live in self deception if it made me truly happy & fulfilled. But it doesn’t. It turns out, that true happiness is in alignment with wholistic & appropriate dosing of truth as you grow up into more and more truth.

It’s been my compass for 8+ years and worked pretty well up to this point. It helps balance and ground. Leo’s video opened me more towards prioritizing truth for its own sake but I’m still curious to hear more about the limitations of fulfillment as the top value.

 

What does "true happiness" look like? I have a friend who is an addict and he tells me he is a happy person. I'm just curious what it looks like.

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Cathy92506 said:

What does "true happiness" look like? I have a friend who is an addict and he tells me he is a happy person. I'm just curious what it looks like.

Piece of mind.  Not worrying about the little stuff. Not fearing death or illness.  Happy go lucky - waking up and wanting to live.  To have your coffee and watch the news.  To train your body at the gym.  To be happy in your own skin.   Nay- to be comfy in your own skin.  Thats really what It means.  If you hate yourself you can't be happy.  You have to love yourself and accept your faults as well as your strengths.   Stand tall brother.   Love yourself and love life and you are gonna be okay.

Edited Tuesday at 09:33 PM by Inliytened1

[theleelajoker]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Piece of mind.  Not worrying about thr little stuff. Not fearing death or illness.  Happy go lucky - waking up and wanting to live.  To have your coffee and watch the news.  To train your body at the gym.  To be happy in your own skin.   Nay- to be comfy in your own skin.  Thats really what It means.  If you hate yourself you can't be happy.  You have to love yourself and accept your faults as well as your strengths.   Stand tall brother.

Nice description.  I would add "being able to fall asleep" in the same line as "waking up and wanting to live"

If addicted to something, getting out of bed or going to sleep or both can be challenging 

[Loveeee]

[Cathy92506]

7 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Happy go luck

I understand. Thank you. So you can actually tell a "happy" person from other people because they are always looking happy and have a "happy go luck" attitude.

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Cathy92506 said:

I understand. Thank you. So you can actually tell a "happy" person from other people because they are always looking happy and have a "happy go luck" attitude.

I didn't say that. A deeply depressed person can put on a smile for the masses and you would never know.  You never know what's inside a person.  Only that person knows.  But depression is a mental illness so by default you should have a baseline level of happiness.  And then that baseline can move around depending on past trauma and other things.  But in general if you don't have depression you should be innately content overall.  There may be little things that bother you - or big things but this shouldn't affect your overall happiness and if it does you should look to resolve it.  Like if someone is unhappy with their height to the point where it consumes them they should find a way to come to grips with it.

Edited Tuesday at 09:45 PM by Inliytened1

[Cathy92506]

23 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Like if someone is unhappy with their height to the point where it consumes them they should find a way to come to grips with it.

Thank you.

Edited Tuesday at 10:08 PM by Cathy92506

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, Cathy92506 said:

So they need a brainwave scanner to determine this? Also, I just googled "flow state" and athletes talk about it. You're "in the zone." You are so focused with the task at hand that there is no outside interference. Is this what you mean by "flow state?" And if so, is it humanly possible to be continuously in an "infinite flow state?"

No not really.  A flow state is usually in an adrenaline spiked activity.  Like if an MLB pitcher is on the mound in front of thousands of people they will access a flow state in which the whole crowd around them doesn't exist and all that exists is making that pitch.  And the game.  That's a flow state.  But typically in day to day activities you will not be in that state you will be taking in all of your surroundings both externally and internally. 

Edited Tuesday at 10:09 PM by Inliytened1

[Joshe]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

  A flow state is usually in an adrenaline spiked activity.  Like if an MLB pitcher is on the mound in front of thousands of people they will access a flow state in which the whole crowd around them doesn't exist and all that exists is making that pitch.  And the game.  That's a flow state.  But typically in day to day activities you will not be in that state you will be taking in all of your surroundings both externally and internally. 

A flow state is a state in which there is only doing, not thinking. And the doing is done without resistance. I often enter flow when I'm completely slammed with work and must get things done in order to survive, but if I only have a little work, I often procrastinate, hesitate, and resist while doing the work, which makes me suffer. When there's no option but to do the work, I enter a flow state because I must. That's what I understand flow state to be. In flow, everything is effortless and there's no suffering. Conscious awareness of all problems disappear via total submergence of the task at hand. After a while, your awareness comes back and you realize you've been working without suffering for several hours. 

Edited Tuesday at 11:39 PM by Joshe

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Cathy92506

Hard to be happy and at peace in life when you are addicted to a behaviour. 

You give up your sovereignty.

Ultimately we do have no control over anything in life. We simply need the wisdom to know when to act, and put things in motion, when the opportunity arises.

Your friend with addiction may not choose to have something wield power over them, if they had the choice.

It could simply be your friend hasn't experienced true happiness, and simply conceptualizes 'this must be happiness'.

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 02:16 AM by Natasha Tori Maru

[Spiral Wizard]

4 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

So it doesn't matter how you slice a pizza it still tastes the same. 

Love that! 😂

[VeganAwake]

The sense of self is never fulfilled. It always needs more.

Notice it!

It ends up being the fulfillment longed for by nobody.

❤️