What is the domain of spirituality that helps the most in pursuit of survival?

[Joshe]

12 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

If one experiences the total unity and oneness, it becomes hard to neglect responsibility.

If so, that very well could be the part I missed. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Joshe

It could be just the next step?

True self stares at you point black after the illusory ego-self is directly seen through

You will face the question 'Why is there something, rather than nothing?'

True self - the oneness, unity, love and clarity part

The silence

[PenguinPablo]

Law of attraction 

 

[UnbornTao]

Another thing: survival is everything you do - it is the principle of life. From worrying about what to wear, wanting to impress, to sustaining your body and everything else. Why separate survival from other pursuits? The only exception is truth-seeking, which is an independent pursuit. Spirituality, in that sense, is just a different flavor of survival. It's all about you and improving your experience. 

@Joshe If it's about controlling one's mind, then you're no longer so influenced by your automatic drives and motivations. That doesn't mean you can't simply create things and move toward the goals you've set for yourself.

I suspect there are many ideals on this domain. For example, Osho liked his luxurious cars. And Sadhguru's is quite successful in the conventional use of the word. You can also be an enlightened pianist, or some such. "Spirituality" or meditation practices aren't strictly reserved for monks, or restricted to a particular lifestyle. You may have a point, but I think reaching that level of detachment would have to require more involvement than the level I recommended. 

The point is, mindfulness tends to increase your effectiveness in whatever you do, as your attention is increasingly focused on your present experience. Whether you want to perform a certain action or not is up to you. 

Edited September 2 by UnbornTao

[BlessedLion]

23 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Just in my personal experience - apathy did not arise at all for me. The spiritual process has been one of clarification.

If one experiences the total unity and oneness, it becomes hard to neglect responsibility. I do what I do, to help. To give back, to express love. I look after myself with honour and respect, so I can be there 100% for those that need it. 

Absolutely! I’ve never really had or understood this feeling of “it’s all a dream so who cares it’s meaningless” to me that’s so meaningful and beautiful. Actually more reason to live well than just being a meat suit in material reality. Love your perspective on it all! 

[Joshe]

49 minutes ago, BlessedLion said:

I’ve never really had or understood this feeling of “it’s all a dream so who cares it’s meaningless”

That’s not what it’s like. There’s a sense of responsibility to fully integrate and master this domain before escaping into spirituality. There’s an intuition that it is a mistake to leave this world prematurely. Yet there’s a desire to, which creates tension. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

39 minutes ago, Joshe said:

There’s a sense of responsibility to fully integrate and master this domain before escaping into spirituality.

Spirituality may point you right back to this domain - enhancing the integration through effortless activity.

[Davino]

Probably Yoga

[Joshe]

13 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Spirituality may point you right back to this domain - enhancing the integration through effortless activity.

I didn't see it playing out that way for me. Ofc I could be wrong. 

[Recursoinominado]

The most popular one: law of attraction/manifestation.

Helps you with survival, but traps you into endless desires and living for pleasure, sex, status, and money.

[Basman]

The understanding of how the mind essentially creates reality can be an advantage, therefor if you can influence your mind you can create a better reality for yourself. Your persona is something you create, usually unconsciously in reaction to your environment, which is itself to a certain degree relative and malleable. With the right principles, you can hone your mind and create a persona that is more effective within your field.

What I'm describing is basically self-help. It's distinct from spirituality as it is constructive rather than deconstructive, but they both draw from the principle of consciously directing your mind and body to different state. Spirituality and self-help are not mutually exclusive I think. You need both a little constructiveness and deconstruction if you want to live an awesome life. You can't be deeply spiritual and be an alcoholic at the same time.

There's also positive habits that come from spirituality, like yoga and meditation.

Most people start their day shit-talking themselves and their lives. With the kind of self-awareness that you cultivate as a habit with spirituality you can circumvent that. Already there you have a huge advantage over others in terms of just mood (easier said than done though). 

[Cireeric]

On 1.9.2025 at 0:42 PM, Ode said:

I've always been super interested in spirituality, however I've never been able to push myself to pursue any of it in any meaningful way and while that is completely ok, I also feel like I have some material advantages to be gained from some spiritual work, maybe that would motivate me to pursue it more. Would like to hear your thoughts / experiences about this!

I honestly think they go very well together. Being in a state of presence and clarity is the best state to be in in order to be effective in any domain of life. Also being more aware of unconscious-patterns, ego/shadow-projections, being aware of how your mind works and being able to get out of dysfunctional thought-loops will make you more effective in general. Basically you will "get out of your own way". You should check out Peter Ralstons work. It is deep existential investigation and at the same time very practical and "down to earth". Peter Ralstons Book on Mastery is specifially applying consciousness work towards mastery and principles of effectiveness in general.

The only "problem" might be that in the process of pursuing spirituality earnestly you might discover the superficiality of your motivations and goals and will find new ones.

[Ode]

1 hour ago, Cireeric said:

I honestly think they go very well together. Being in a state of presence and clarity is the best state to be in in order to be effective in any domain of life. Also being more aware of unconscious-patterns, ego/shadow-projections, being aware of how your mind works and being able to get out of dysfunctional thought-loops will make you more effective in general. Basically you will "get out of your own way". You should check out Peter Ralstons work. It is deep existential investigation and at the same time very practical and "down to earth". Peter Ralstons Book on Mastery is specifially applying consciousness work towards mastery and principles of effectiveness in general.

The only "problem" might be that in the process of pursuing spirituality earnestly you might discover the superficiality of your motivations and goals and will find new ones.

Thanks for the suggestion! I will definitely check out Peter Ralston. When it comes to motivations and goals changing, I don't see any problem there, actually I'm just kinda exited to be able to see them drop at some point because it's tiring to have so much material aspirations all the time.

[BlessedLion]

Ralston is your best bet if you want more real world mastery, he makes you extremely powerful and effective, so wield that with responsibility. I have used Ralstons methods to get laid and stopped when i realized i was using consciousness in a devilish way

[UnbornTao]

4 minutes ago, BlessedLion said:

Ralston is your best bet if you want more real world mastery, he makes you extremely powerful and effective, so wield that with responsibility. I have used Ralstons methods to get laid and stopped when i realized i was using consciousness in a devilish way

haha

[Basman]

15 hours ago, BlessedLion said:

Ralston is your best bet if you want more real world mastery, he makes you extremely powerful and effective, so wield that with responsibility. I have used Ralstons methods to get laid and stopped when i realized i was using consciousness in a devilish way

Any books you recommend?

[Rigel]

On 2025-09-03 at 7:55 AM, Davino said:

Probably Yoga

There’s a crossover with yoga but I’d say breath work in general. There’s so many ways to breath to either hype or calm yourself & everything in between, including transcendent consciousness.

[Sugarcoat]

At least you’re not fooling yourself into thinking you’re really after truth while you in fact prioritize your well being! That in itself is kinda spiritual, it’s a form of deeper self awareness.

But then in your current state maybe your sense of well being is attached to objects, like material gains. So for example detachment practice is about letting go off attachments, so they’re no longer tied to your well being and you might be able to access well being unconditionally. So that’s a gain, because what you’re after on the bottom of it all is well being. 

Edited September 8 by Sugarcoat