Is the left partly responsible for the radicalization of the right?

[Elliott]

17 minutes ago, Raze said:

The democrats had a page on who they serve and list every single demographic except for men. If you aren’t interested in telling men how you’ll help them, don’t be shocked when they don’t vote for you.

You're grasping at ridiculous straws, here's the page, apparently young men aren't young people to you?

https://archive.is/9rRI2

 

[Raze]

2 minutes ago, Elliott said:

You're grasping at ridiculous straws, here's the page, apparently young men aren't young people to you?

https://archive.is/9rRI2

 

Yes, because it specifies women for womens issues.

This is emblematic of their refusal to speak to men in a meaningful way as they won’t even acknowledge mens issues.

They made ads for men and it was just about how men should vote for Kamala to help women.

 

[Jodistrict]

The point to keep in mind is that Trump was elected by the middle of the road voters who decided at the last moment to go Republican.  This wasn’t an appeal to those lusting for authoritarian rule.   The rhetoric from the academic left clearly became excessive and had an effect on young men.  The worse was pushing the pronoun nonsense and the over focus on the trans issue.   This is the problem with identity politics.  It divides people and pits them against each other.  The democrats could win with a focus on economic justice that effects everyone. 

[Jacob Morres]

@Jodistrict  

Right plays identity politics too, its just it comes from the other side. Like banning trans from the military. Which is wrong bc you should not ban a group of people based off identity 

Edited August 19 by Jacob Morres

[Emerald]

18 hours ago, Raze said:

More billionaires backed Kamala Harris than Trump.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2024/10/30/kamala-harris-has-more-billionaires-prominently-backing-her-than-trump-bezos-and-griffin-weigh-in-updated/

That is false, there is a large network of left and center left media outlets 

 

Billionaires back corporate Democrats... but not leftists or leftwing causes.

So, there is no such billionaire-funded far leftwing propaganda machine.

There is no mainstream leftist media. And independent leftwing media is on a shoestring budget, getting just the default ads on YouTube.

But the far rightwing propaganda machine is VERY well-funded.

And even Democrat politicians and Democrat-leaning news networks tend to disparage far left and center left positions... and instead take more moderately rightwing economic stances with a smattering of uncontroversial "Let's accept everyone" liberal social positions.

The main Democrat catch phrase has always been, "Let's reach across the aisle!" So, they aren't remotely leftwing.

Billionaires fund the creation of a far rightwing propaganda machine that will move people further right, as it is better for their bottom line.

Rightwing propaganda keeps working class people voting on culture war issues (like being anti-trans) instead of voting on their own economic interests.

And that is necessary to keep working class people from waking up to the unfairness and going left and joining labor movements and engaging in strikes... which would undermine corporate interests.

So, billionaires have a huge vested interest in funding far rightwing propaganda to keep working class people angry at trans people, immigrants, ethnic minorities, etc.... as opposed to focusing their ire on the powers that be and unfair treatment they get in the workplace.

[sholomar]

On 8/18/2025 at 6:00 PM, Emerald said:

No, the left are just convenient scapegoats to blame the rise of Fascism on.

The reason why Fascism was able to come to a head (after decades of being pushed under the floorboards) is the result of a solid decade of well-strategized and expertly crafted billionaire-funded propaganda campaigns to awaken people's authoritarian instincts... and to normalize and sell far right conservatism as a lifestyle brand to young people.

AND also TONS of far right people organizing on every level of society and government to warm people up to Fascism and implement their agendas. Of course, this is helped along especially by the successes of Donald Trump... as he is particularly good at getting disengaged political normies to join the cause.

And even the talking point in this meme was probably workshopped in a far right think tank 10 years ago to disseminate to the masses to brand jam the left further... as to train people towards the instinct to hate the left and see the right as more reasonable by contrast.

So... don't give the credit of expert-level political organization to leftists. Leftists just have ethical values... but are piss-poor at organizing and don't have two nickels to rub together. 

But the right wing is unified and well-funded by big money interests. So, this past decade has been a masterclass at political organizing to mobilize people towards the Fascist cause and the further empowerment of the powerful at the expense of the vulnerable.

It's because the left started caring more about 5% issues like genders than worrying about things regular people care about like the economy. The major issue however is the left's seemingly unchecked immigration they allow, going so far as to fly in migrants and pay for their housing. That's the main issue that turned people off from them.   The fact you think everyone in the right are fascists shows you are brainwashed by your leftist propaganda just like any other large group of people.

Edited August 22 by sholomar

[Elliott]

12 minutes ago, sholomar said:

It's because the left started caring more about 5% issues like genders than worrying about things regular people care about like the economy. The major issue however is the left's seemingly unchecked immigration they allow, going so far as to fly in migrants and pay for their housing. That's the main issue that turned people off from them.   The fact you think everyone in the right are fascists shows you are brainwashed by your leftist propaganda just like any other large group of people.

How so? It's conservatives that bring up genders, you guys are obsessed with it. Obama and Biden both deported more immigrants than Trump, where has immigration been a problem, point to it.

 

 

Edited August 22 by Elliott

[Jodistrict]

2 hours ago, sholomar said:

It's because the left started caring more about 5% issues like genders than worrying about things regular people care about like the economy. The major issue however is the left's seemingly unchecked immigration they allow, going so far as to fly in migrants and pay for their housing. That's the main issue that turned people off from them.   The fact you think everyone in the right are fascists shows you are brainwashed by your leftist propaganda just like any other large group of people.

Good luck in convincing them of that.  The ego would rather die than admit it made a mistake.

[Alex_R]

In some places like Venezuela and Argentina, they are.

[carterfelder]

I'll say this: aside from family, I refuse to be friends with anyone who thinks it's okay for non-citizens of America to enter the country illegally. The only reason people claim to support this idea is because they have a savior complex that takes over their ability to think logically about essential boundaries and fairness within a civilized society. Just because you want a perfect utopia does not mean you can have one anytime soon. If a perfectly balanced, utopian society were to exist, humanity would have to evolve psychologically to the point where that could somehow happen. The same applies to transgender ideologies' claim that "transwomen are women, so therefore, anyone who claims to be a woman—including males—can enter women's private spaces or compete against women in their sports." This bypasses objective reality to the point where it denies people—especially women—their safety, privacy, and fair play in sports.

[Vali2003]

2 hours ago, carterfelder said:

I'll say this: aside from family, I refuse to be friends with anyone who thinks it's okay for non-citizens of America to enter the country illegally. The only reason people claim to support this idea is because they have a savior complex that takes over their ability to think logically about essential boundaries and fairness within a civilized society. Just because you want a perfect utopia does not mean you can have one anytime soon. If a perfectly balanced, utopian society were to exist, humanity would have to evolve psychologically to the point where that could somehow happen. The same applies to transgender ideologies' claim that "transwomen are women, so therefore, anyone who claims to be a woman—including males—can enter women's private spaces or compete against women in their sports." This bypasses objective reality to the point where it denies people—especially women—their safety, privacy, and fair play in sports.

Who seriously claims that transgender women  can just compete in women’s sports if they have serious physical advantages? This is a minor problem that can easily be resolved, as society adapts to the new situation. Same in regards to women’s private spaces — assuming you mean toilets, changing rooms etc. by this.

Don’t act like these are such enormous problems such that we can’t have who have gender dismorphia and transition call themselves men, or women if that’s what they actually identify as.

[Elliott]

11 minutes ago, Vali2003 said:

Who seriously claims that transgender women  can just compete in women’s sports if they have serious physical advantages? This is a minor problem that can easily be resolved, as society adapts to the new situation. Same in regards to women’s private spaces — assuming you mean toilets, changing rooms etc. by this.

Don’t act like these are such enormous problems such that we can’t have who have gender dismorphia and transition call themselves men, or women if that’s what they actually identify as.

Everyone just ignores this guy, he's never trying to have an earnest discussion and 90% of the forum sees through the right-wing idiocy.

Edited August 23 by Elliott

[Vali2003]

On 19/08/2025 at 5:50 AM, Leo Gura said:

Dude, online male culture has always been immature, sexist, racist, and homophobic. This isn't some new thing Trump invented.

You don't need to brainwash horny immature fools. They naturally brainwash themselves.

Oh .

thanks for letting me in on it hahah.

[Vali2003]

21 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Everyone just ignores this guy, he's never trying to have an earnest discussion and 90% of the forum sees through the right-wing idiocy.

Oh .

thanks for letting me in on it.

[carterfelder]

1 hour ago, Vali2003 said:

Who seriously claims that transgender women  can just compete in women’s sports if they have serious physical advantages? This is a minor problem that can easily be resolved, as society adapts to the new situation. Same in regards to women’s private spaces — assuming you mean toilets, changing rooms etc. by this.

Don’t act like these are such enormous problems such that we can’t have who have gender dismorphia and transition call themselves men, or women if that’s what they actually identify as.

The logical fallacy being used here is the "fallacy of relative privation" (also known as the "not as bad as" fallacy). This fallacy occurs when someone dismisses an argument or issue by claiming it is insignificant compared to other, supposedly more pressing problems.

Responding to valid concerns about women's privacy, safety and fair play in sports by claiming they are "minor problems" sidesteps the actual argument. It avoids engaging with the specific concerns (e.g., safety, privacy, or fairness) by redirecting attention to the perceived scale of the issue rather than addressing its merits or implications. This tactic minimizes valid concerns without providing a reasoned counterargument.

Putting aside everything I've read and seen online, there have been many times I've had discussions with women I knew and didn't know who expressed disagreement with "transwomen" being in women's private spaces, as well as playing in women's sports. Yes, there are women who claim not to care very much or at all about these concerns, but that doesn't make the whole issue "minor."

Transgenderism is just gender dysphoria. It's gaslighting ourselves into believing or doing our best to believe we are the opposite sex. There is no such thing. It's a fantasy, and there's absolutely no good moral reason why women should have to give up their female-only private spaces. Many women are significantly uncomfortable with the presence of a man. It does not matter how well they "pass" as a "woman." They are men and they have no right to be in women's spaces, or compete against women in female-only sports. There's a very good reason sports are often separated by sex. "Transwomen" in female prisons and prison cells is also a serious issue. Just because a man presents himself in a feminine way, or wears clothing typically associated with women, doesn't mean he has any right to make women feel uncomfortable by being in their private space. There are too many good reasons women object to males being in their changing rooms, shared public bathrooms (INCLUDING those with full, top-to-bottom toilet stalls), prisons, rape shelters, lesbian bars, etc.

I also don't want any "transmen" in men's changing rooms or shared public bathrooms. I don't want a woman being concerned about me being in a private room with her. I don't want to be falsely accused of assault or sexual harassment if I don't have to be.

If I ever see a transwoman entering a female private space, I will sternly ask him not to go in. I will scream at him if I have to.

Edited August 23 by carterfelder

[Joshe]

2 hours ago, carterfelder said:

I will scream at him if I have to.

So you're a Karen? 

[carterfelder]

29 minutes ago, Joshe said:

So you're a Karen? 

Karens are hawt.

Edited August 24 by carterfelder

[Vali2003]

13 hours ago, carterfelder said:

The logical fallacy being used here is the "fallacy of relative privation" (also known as the "not as bad as" fallacy). This fallacy occurs when someone dismisses an argument or issue by claiming it is insignificant compared to other, supposedly more pressing problems.

Responding to valid concerns about women's privacy, safety and fair play in sports by claiming they are "minor problems" sidesteps the actual argument. It avoids engaging with the specific concerns (e.g., safety, privacy, or fairness) by redirecting attention to the perceived scale of the issue rather than addressing its merits or implications. This tactic minimizes valid concerns without providing a reasoned counterargument.

Putting aside everything I've read and seen online, there have been many times I've had discussions with women I knew and didn't know who expressed disagreement with "transwomen" being in women's private spaces, as well as playing in women's sports. Yes, there are women who claim not to care very much or at all about these concerns, but that doesn't make the whole issue "minor."

Transgenderism is just gender dysphoria. It's gaslighting ourselves into believing or doing our best to believe we are the opposite sex. There is no such thing. It's a fantasy, and there's absolutely no good moral reason why women should have to give up their female-only private spaces. Many women are significantly uncomfortable with the presence of a man. It does not matter how well they "pass" as a "woman." They are men and they have no right to be in women's spaces, or compete against women in female-only sports. There's a very good reason sports are often separated by sex. "Transwomen" in female prisons and prison cells is also a serious issue. Just because a man presents himself in a feminine way, or wears clothing typically associated with women, doesn't mean he has any right to make women feel uncomfortable by being in their private space. There are too many good reasons women object to males being in their changing rooms, shared public bathrooms (INCLUDING those with full, top-to-bottom toilet stalls), prisons, rape shelters, lesbian bars, etc.

I also don't want any "transmen" in men's changing rooms or shared public bathrooms. I don't want a woman being concerned about me being in a private room with her. I don't want to be falsely accused of assault or sexual harassment if I don't have to be.

If I ever see a transwoman entering a female private space, I will sternly ask him not to go in. I will scream at him if I have to.

You should watch leo‘s video is gender a social construct?

[carterfelder]

11 minutes ago, Vali2003 said:

You should watch leo‘s video is gender a social construct?

I did, and I don’t agree at all. Gender identity is total garbage.

[Spiral]

I recommend Garys economics, a UK YouTube channel. It will show you why billionaires support the alt-right. It’s in their own interest.