Jacob Morres

Is the left partly responsible for the radicalization of the right?

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1 hour ago, Emerald said:

There are VERY FEW big money interests that fund leftwing causes. And there is no such equivalent leftwing propaganda network, as lefties don't get big money dollars.

 

More billionaires backed Kamala Harris than Trump.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2024/10/30/kamala-harris-has-more-billionaires-prominently-backing-her-than-trump-bezos-and-griffin-weigh-in-updated/

That is false, there is a large network of left and center left media outlets 

 

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4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Dude, online male culture has always been immature, sexist, racist, and homophobic. This isn't some new thing Trump invented.

You don't need to brainwash horny immature fools. They naturally brainwash themselves.

Then why did young men vote democrat in 2020 at the margins young women voted democrat in 2024?

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28 minutes ago, Raze said:

 

No they didn’t, there was no large scale funded effort by republicans to try and court young men. Men shifted there as democrats alienated them with rhetoric and republicans became popular on some alt media platforms democrats (purposefully) avoided.

The rest of your comment is so stupid it doesn’t merit a response. 

Yeah.... they did

 

"The Daily Wire's initial funding came from several million dollars in seed money provided by the billionaire Wilks brothers, Dan and Farris. They are known for their involvement in the petroleum industry and have since funded other right-wing media outlets like PragerU through their charitable foundations, according to The Guardian. The Daily Wire was co-founded by Ben Shapiro and Jeremy Boreing, who previously worked for the David Horowitz Freedom Center-funded TruthRevolt."

 

 

"Since 2010, male suicide rates have increased by 30 percent.May 30, 2025" must be all them liberals killing themselves....

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6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You don't need to brainwash horny immature fools. They naturally brainwash themselves.

Lol. True, but the thing is, it caught like wildfire via brainwashing, which made it okay to wear your foolishness like a badge of honor. Memetic something another. 

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4 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Yeah.... they did

 

"The Daily Wire's initial funding came from several million dollars in seed money provided by the billionaire Wilks brothers, Dan and Farris. They are known for their involvement in the petroleum industry and have since funded other right-wing media outlets like PragerU through their charitable foundations, according to The Guardian. The Daily Wire was co-founded by Ben Shapiro and Jeremy Boreing, who previously worked for the David Horowitz Freedom Center-funded TruthRevolt."

 

That’s not a funding effort specifically targeting young men. That is a media outlet. If just having a media outlet is brainwashing young men you can say democrats are brainwashing young women through left wing outlets like MSNBC.

There was a recent effort on the right to court young men but it was small relatively and only after young men already started shifting right. It was basically just Josh Hawley.

Democrats courting young women however was a much larger campaign for longer. See the women’s march.

BTW, the democrats also recently invested in a campaign to court young men.

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5 minutes ago, Raze said:

That’s not a funding effort specifically targeting young men. That is a media outlet. If just having a media outlet is brainwashing young men you can say democrats are brainwashing young women through left wing outlets like MSNBC.

There was a recent effort on the right to court young men but it was small relatively and only after young men already started shifting right.

Democrats courting young women however was a much larger campaign for longer. See the womens march.

That's just one, they pay every single 'alpha' influencer, Tate, Peterson, .....

 

"PragerU's target demographic has expanded beyond college students to include children ages 14 to 55."

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Young men were clearly targeted. What do you think Trump going on all the bro podcasts was about? Adrien Ross. 

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5 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Young men were clearly targeted. What do you think Trump going on all the bro podcasts was about? Adrien Ross. 

Every one of those podcasts said they invited Kamala and she refused. 

This is what I mean when I say they didn’t move because they were targeted, they moved because they were pushed away by democrats, Kamala not attempting to reach out isn’t trump targeting them.

Other democrats did go on them later and it went fine. Bernie Sanders went on them.

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31 minutes ago, Raze said:

Every one of those podcasts said they invited Kamala and she refused. 

This is what I mean when I say they didn’t move because they were targeted, they moved because they were pushed away by democrats, Kamala not attempting to reach out isn’t trump targeting them.

It would have gone even worse for Kamala if she did go on those shows. It was smart to refuse IMO. Plus, many of the podcasts are not respectable enough. Presidential candidates going on Aiden Ross’s stream just for votes turns the whole political process into a goddamn circus. Joe Rogan isn’t far from it either. Bill Burr recently gave a good talk about why he wouldn’t bring a candidate on his podcast, and it’s the idea that it turns politics into a circus. So not only was it disadvantageous for Kamala to go on those, she would have been contributing even more to the deterioration of our society.

But it’s a double bind because if she turns her nose up to the common vulgarity, she’s seen as a politically correct out of touch bitch snob. And if she did go on, they would have grilled the fuck out of her and just joked around with Trump. Just my opinion. I could be wrong.

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Of course culture is always shifting, like sand dunes.

It oscillates, reacts, swings around. And social media exerbates it by the algorithm maximizing profit and clicks.

The culture wars are a tug of war between which way culture will shift next.

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1 hour ago, Joshe said:

It would have gone even worse for Kamala if she did go on those shows. It was smart to refuse IMO. Plus, many of the podcasts are not respectable enough. Presidential candidates going on Aiden Ross’s stream just for votes turns the whole political process into a goddamn circus. Joe Rogan isn’t far from it either. Bill Burr recently gave a good talk about why he wouldn’t bring a candidate on his podcast, and it’s the idea that it turns politics into a circus. So not only was it disadvantageous for Kamala to go on those, she would have been contributing even more to the deterioration of our society.

But it’s a double bind because if she turns her nose up to the common vulgarity, she’s seen as a politically correct out of touch bitch snob. And if she did go on, they would have grilled the fuck out of her and just joked around with Trump. Just my opinion. I could be wrong.

That’s ridiculously wrong. The podcasts were Theo Von, Lex Fridman, and Joe Rogan. They are extremely soft interviewers who rarely get aggressive with guests let alone grill them. They interviewed multiple democrats and didn’t do that.
 

Kamala not going on was beyond stupid. She literally said no to hundreds of millions of views in free media primarily with a demographic that had seen her message the least, young men.

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1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course culture is always shifting, like sand dunes.

It oscillates, reacts, swings around. And social media exerbates it by the algorithm maximizing profit and clicks.

The culture wars are a tug of war between which way culture will shift next.

It’s still ridiculous to say young men shifting right had nothing to do with the absolute disaster of messaging from the left.

Young men have been seeing a non stop stream of men suck and male shaming from the same crowd that then demanded they vote democrat while democrats consistently refuse to say they’ll do anything for young men. Obviously that will have an effect.

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The right wing didn’t only rise in the US. Obviosly this is not a comprehensive list, but here is an interesting timeline:

  • 2012 -  Viktor Orbán of Hungary gets 2/3 majority in the parlament that he never let go still  going in 2025. He is critiqued in the Eu for eroding democratic institutions and good friends with Trump.
  • 2014 - Annexation of Crimea, which im mentioning because its foreshadowing of the international political environment to say the least
  • 2016 - Trump first term
  • 2018 - Brexit
  • 2020 - Covid brings about even more chaos and instability which will always result in reinforcement of nationality in politics. After that, the right wing visibly got a foothold everywhere in the west.
  • For example in 2021 - first major political breakthrough of Javier Milei of Argentina. I remember clearly this was very loud in mainstream media
  • 2022 Meloni of Italy
  • 2023 Russia - Ukraine war begins. At this point it would be harder to mention countries in the EU that didn’t see the rise of right wing political power

and as i said this is far from a comprehensive list, there are many themes i didnt mention here like: midwest, immigration, backlash against globalization etc.

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I'd say you reveal yourself pretty clearly when you view the concept of toxic masculinity as an attack on your own masculinity.

1 in 5 women are raped in their lifetime, and as soon as someone tries to point out the problematic aspects of us men, some find that a valid reason to support fascism...

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Can anyone else ultimately be responsible for your choices in life? 

For people who don't understand everything is themselves. Yes.

Just like all the decisions the right has made now, it leads to the radicalization of the left in the next shift. It's how consciousness does small steps up societally/collectively in a two-party political system. Which is flawed to begin with because it apparently relies on high drama to execute these changes effectively, in this 6-second attention span tiktok reality, wheras a multiparty system is more balanced but makes for more boring TV.

People can point to where this isn't the case, but i'd ask them what is people's experience of this, what do they consciously remember, talk about, live and embrace. The high drama, not the bureaucratic steps. They may have all these silent background things contributing to their life, but unless the child grows up to understand what the parents did for them, they remain narcissistic, entitled brats with their heads in their phones. - Modelling how most kids grow up, into the larger model here, because they are the future voters making waves now.

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7 hours ago, Raze said:

That’s ridiculously wrong. The podcasts were Theo Von, Lex Fridman, and Joe Rogan. They are extremely soft interviewers who rarely get aggressive with guests let alone grill them. They interviewed multiple democrats and didn’t do that.
 

Kamala not going on was beyond stupid. She literally said no to hundreds of millions of views in free media primarily with a demographic that had seen her message the least, young men.

Young men don't base their lives on what politicians say, they do it based on what their role models say. Why did 42% of young men vote for Kamala then?

The garbage alpha media shouldn't be legitimized by Kamala going on.

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Those young male audiences are already heavily biased. Kamala is not going to go on Rogan or Theo Von and convince those audiences that Trump is a monster.


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25 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Those young male audiences are already heavily biased. Kamala is not going to go on Rogan or Theo Von and convince those audiences that Trump is a monster.

Hi Leo! Do you think that Gavin Newsom and his vice president nominee could win against the JD Vance/Marco Rubio ticket in 2028?

I don't like JD but Rubio is a decent and well respected politician as far as I can tell. I mean he is not as dangerous as Trump is. 

Regardless of the democratic ticket for 2028, the JD Vance/Marco Rubio ticket will be extremely hard to defeat. The dems will win only if Trump screws the economy real bad for the average folk to feel that in their pocket.

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An Overton Insights poll released last month showed that Harris would have a slight lead over Vance, with 45 percent of respondents backing her and 42 percent supporting Vance. from June 23 to June 26, 2025.

 

Aug 2, 2025 · Since taking office as vice president in January, JD Vance's favorability has steadily declined, according to tracking data from Civiqs

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8 hours ago, Raze said:

That’s ridiculously wrong. The podcasts were Theo Von, Lex Fridman, and Joe Rogan. They are extremely soft interviewers who rarely get aggressive with guests let alone grill them. They interviewed multiple democrats and didn’t do that.
 

Kamala not going on was beyond stupid. She literally said no to hundreds of millions of views in free media primarily with a demographic that had seen her message the least, young men.

Ok, “Grill the fuck out of her” was too strong, but if you think they would have treated her like every other candidate, that’s not the way it would have went down. Theo Von probably would have, but not the others. 

Hundreds of millions of views, yes, but imagine if it wasn’t the “bro podcast circuit” and instead was the “sister podcast circuit”. Where shitting on Trump and the right was the norm and Kamala fit in like a glove. She could hop right in and start laughing and easily build rapport. 

Now, do you think it would be wise for Trump to go on those same podcasts? I don’t. The polarization effect would not be worth the relatively few viewers you gain, and the risk isn’t worth the reward, at least not for a personality like Kamala. 

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