Women have wildly different interests than men

[Alexop]

6 hours ago, Basman said:

There is little you can do about it besides medical intervention once you are pregnant and you are highly dependent on others for survival. It makes sense that women are obsessed with status because it is the greatest sign of social resources. 

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[Emerald]

The average woman is interested in shopping and chit-chatting with girlfriends about gossip. The average man is interested in football and drinking beer with his buddies.

So, yes. The average man and the average woman's interests are very different.

But you're comparing average women with nerdy men and saying, "See how different men and women's interests are." 

But you're not actually controlling for the maleness and femaleness factor because you aren't comparing average men and average women. Average men and average women tend to dislike what the other one is into. 

But once you start deviating from averages and having more niche interests, different niches have different gender dynamics. And different creators within each of those niches could message in a way that appeals to one gender over the other.

And it's important to note that Leo's audience is a niche audience and he directs his messaging at men. And when you have a channel, you don't end up accidentally attracting a target audience. Leo has gotten the niche audience he wants to target which is mostly young men who are looking to self-actualize and become great.

I have a channel where I share topics in a similar niche but with a different target audience: people of all ages and genders who are spiritualists and inner work enthusiasts. And my audience is still slightly more male because men have slightly more interest in academic depth psychology than women. But it's more of a 60/40 split.

And there are definitely spiritual and personal development channels that attract more women than men. You can find all sorts of niches with different target audiences... age-wise and gender-wise.

So, don't think that Leo's target audience is indicative of average men being interested in these topics. Most men are interested in football and beer. A small niche of men are interested in personal development.

And there are other content creators who have personal development channels whose niche is predominantly female.

So, don't assume that because you are on Leo's forum learning about higher consciousness topics that Leo's demographic split is indicative of the general gender demographic split for the personal development niche. This context is deliberately cultivated for young men because Leo was a young man when he first created his channel.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

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[Emerald]

On 8/10/2025 at 6:48 PM, OBEler said:

@Princess Arabia so women keep their insights and tactics about men in secret and won't share that in a male dominated forum so that men have no chance to exploit that?

 

That's a strange assumption to make. How do you imagine this to be... like what kind of insights and tactics?

[Princess Arabia]

@EmeraldNicely said. 

[Emerald]

@Princess Arabia @Natasha Tori Maru Thank you!

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I could play devils advocate here: all these questions regarding women and trying to find out 'the truth of them' arise because men cannot comprehend life without a penis steering it. There's my female perspective on a masculine generalisation. 

I could be a pure savage and say try into eunuch mode if you want a taste  

A lot of male identity, desire and action - even MEANING - gets wrapped around the axis of the penis. 

 

 

[Alexop]

Men like to mentally masturbate about all sorts of shit. Make some nerdy content about anything and I'll assure you that the audience will be predominantly men. Men simply like to meet each other with a beer in their hand in front of a fking car and look at the engine together. They'd watch 3 hours of video with a guy cutting wood and making a shelter. This is how they relax, they retract in their cave of nerdiness that give them freedom. They love to figure out shit. Who is the best football player, who has the most right spiritual practice.

Nature specialized women in creating and caring for life, while men were specialized in ending life. They love to figure out shit because that was their role for millions of years. How can we protect the tribe? How can we procure  resources more efficiently? How can we make even more deadly spears? How can we end life easier? 

And of course, their obsession with status comes from the asymmetry in sexual interaction. The coolest dude gets the girl.

 

 

Edited August 13 by Alexop

[Alexop]

3 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I could play devils advocate here: all these questions regarding women and trying to find out 'the truth of them' arise because men cannot comprehend life without a penis steering it. There's my female perspective on a masculine generalisation. 

I could be a pure savage and say try into eunuch mode if you want a taste  

A lot of male identity, desire and action - even MEANING - gets wrapped around the axis of the penis. 

 

 

Men love to map the world, women do that less. The typical debate, a man creating a map, then a woman coming and telling him that he is generalizing. Creating maps is hard, much easier is to come and say it depends and shit. Men induce, women deduce.

This is why I am for sending a whole book about this topic to people, not pitching a take in a comment. You simply cannot map this shit in a comment without over generalizing 

Edited August 13 by Alexop

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Alexop I am playing around with the above, in full awareness I have ignored HUGE variants within the population

Flipping the narrative

[OBEler]

@Emerald I was talking about  the whole Internet. Forums, podcasts etc. I know that this forum is not representative.

 

Edited August 13 by OBEler

[OBEler]

5 hours ago, Emerald said:

That's a strange assumption to make. How do you imagine this to be... like what kind of insights and tactics?

I was just trying to understand why @princess arabia wrote women don't want to speak openly what women think of men. I was just making assumptions, because I had no idea. She said, because women are not angry at men. Do you think that's the reason?

[theleelajoker]

2 hours ago, Alexop said:

Men love to map the world, women do that less. The typical debate, a man creating a map, then a woman coming and telling him that he is generalising. Creating maps is hard, much easier is to come and say it depends and shit. Men induce, women deduce.

This is why I am for sending a whole book about this topic to people, not pitching a take in a comment. You simply cannot map this shit in a comment without over generalising 

There's something to it, the mapping stuff (I do talk more with men about it) and als re the constant risk of overgeneralizing.  There is no doubt that there are differences but you are likely to find certain behaviors in both genders.  Gender matters, but there are many variables.  Personality types have been mentioned before, culture, family upbringing etc. 

The mapping part can be useful to a degree, but in the end you always have to deal with individuals. And what kind of individuals you meet also depends on your believes. And when then interacting, those individuals are not set in stone, but  influenced by how you mapped people, because you act in alignment with your map an thus influence the interaction. What topics you talk about, how you say things, how you interpret their behavior... 

[Alexop]

3 hours ago, theleelajoker said:

There's something to it, the mapping stuff (I do talk more with men about it) and als re the constant risk of overgeneralizing.  There is no doubt that there are differences but you are likely to find certain behaviors in both genders.  Gender matters, but there are many variables.  Personality types have been mentioned before, culture, family upbringing etc. 

The mapping part can be useful to a degree, but in the end you always have to deal with individuals. And what kind of individuals you meet also depends on your believes. And when then interacting, those individuals are not set in stone, but  influenced by how you mapped people, because you act in alignment with your map an thus influence the interaction. What topics you talk about, how you say things, how you interpret their behavior... 

This is the typical post-modern rethoric. It depends, culture, individuals and shit. This rethoric only cofuses people and creates many problems. Yes, there are cats who like to walk in a leash, no shit. We are so spoiled here in the West. Wait until a strong army invades your country and you'll see how much gender matters. 

Edited August 13 by Alexop

[theleelajoker]

46 minutes ago, Alexop said:

This is the typical post-modern rethoric. It depends, culture, individuals and shit. This rethoric only cofuses people and creates many problems. Yes, there are cats who like to walk in a leash, no shit. We are so spoiled here in the West. Wait until a strong army invades your country and you'll see how much gender matters. 

Are you confused about it, or others? And what problems does it create? That we can't handle the freedom of leaving predefined roles?

I don't care what kind of rhetoric you call it. I'm speaking from my own experience, not from ideology. Lived in four countries, traveled to a lot more. There are archetypal behaviors, and a mental map can be useful. Same time everyone is a unique mix. Don't know what your problem is with seeing people in context. 

And you can google "women Ukraine war" and you might be surprised that things are not as black and white as they might seem.

I agree on being spoiled in the west, the safety and stability should not be taken for granted.

Edited August 13 by theleelajoker

[Xonas Pitfall]

49 minutes ago, Alexop said:

This is the typical post-modern rethoric. It depends, culture, individuals and shit. This rethoric only cofuses people and creates many problems. Yes, there are cats who like to walk in a leash, no shit. I have enough of hearing this stupid shit again and again. We are so spoiled here in the West. Wait until a strong army invades your country and you'll see how much gender matters. 

This argument makes very little sense. It’d be the same as if I said, “Oh... wait until a strong army invades your country, and you'll see how little men care about video games, higher philosophy, and truth-seeking. Wait until a strong army invades your country, and you'll see how little women care about doing makeup and shopping.” No shit, haha. In such a scenario, men would likely hyper-focus on physical strength, weapons, and strategy, while women might rely on either developing strength and similar strategies themselves for survival or leveraging other strategies, such as seduction, psychological manipulation, or deceit, or depending on men for protection. When there’s war, people fall into survival strategies that are more beneficial to them, since they are desperate and need to survive. The modern world is all about making us feel safer so we can explore more and gain a higher understanding, intelligence, and diversity, which in turn elevates society further. Actualized.org would have never been able to exist in a war zone. But that’s the whole point of human evolution: you create more technology and safety nets so people can explore beyond their natural instincts and move beyond mere survival, thus expanding consciousness. No one here is denying that there are gender differences; the question is how much of them are actual and whether we are overly stereotyping things that shouldn't be stereotyped.

A good example of this is the education system. Throughout history, there was a widespread belief that women were too stupid, irrational, and incapable of serious thinking. Now, with women outperforming men in education, the narrative has shifted to, “Oh, of course! You’re just being yielding and pleasing to the teacher; that’s a ‘girl thing!’” In reality, nothing about the education system has changed over the years. This shift in narrative when it doesn’t work in men’s favor is a perfect example of how "stereotyping" can go wrong.

Edited August 13 by Xonas Pitfall

[OBEler]

6 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I could play devils advocate here: all these questions regarding women and trying to find out 'the truth of them' arise because men cannot comprehend life without a penis steering it. There's my female perspective on a masculine generalisation. 

I could be a pure savage and say try into eunuch mode if you want a taste  

A lot of male identity, desire and action - even MEANING - gets wrapped around the axis of the penis. 

 

 

So this is penis in use?

 

It could be that penis is linked to desire on a whole different scale than women. The desire to survive etc. but that's a strong generalization I make here.

Edited August 13 by OBEler

[Xonas Pitfall]

24 minutes ago, OBEler said:

So this is penis in use?

I think what she meant is that a lot of the male generalizations and judgements about women are a bit "cock-blocked," haha.

For example, what I've said above: 

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Throughout history, there was a widespread belief that women were too stupid, irrational, and incapable of serious thinking and educational pursuits. Now, with women outperforming men in education, the narrative has shifted to, “Oh, of course! You’re just being yielding and pleasing to the teacher; that’s a ‘girl thing!’” In reality, nothing about the education system has changed over the years. This shift in narrative when it doesn’t work in men’s favor is a perfect example of how "stereotyping" can go wrong.

It’s more appealing to puff yourself up as this strong, rational, intelligent man while portraying her as this helpless, lost, and stupid damsel who desperately needs your leadership, even though she might actually have a lot of intelligence in that area.

Also, as I said above, please be careful with nitpicking examples. I can also do this:

Oh my god... See!? Clearly, women are often far more capable and adaptable when it comes to handling life’s challenges. (Ironic, of course! )

And just to clarify, no one here is saying that we don’t need each other, absolutely not. I believe gender harmony and synergy are some of the most beautiful things ever. The issue here (at least mine) is labeling "stupid, dysfunctional" behavior as feminine when they don’t need to be, which does a disservice to women. This, in turn, causes people to subconsciously lose respect and start believing things like, “Women don’t like technology at all; women are drama queens; women are useless in survival situations." That's all.

Edited August 13 by Xonas Pitfall

[OBEler]

@Xonas Pitfall good example but it is shown by science that boys compared to girls at such an age are hugely underdeveloped in all ways. Therefore also the struggle in school, where girls get way better grades etc. later in age it got balanced out.

They should do the same social experiment where every gender has grown up and their brain is fully developed.

Edited August 13 by OBEler

[Xonas Pitfall]

1 minute ago, OBEler said:

Therefore also the struggle in school

This is currently happening across all education, college-level included. 

• Higher Graduation Rates for Women: According to data from the National Center for Education Statistics (NCES), women have outpaced men in terms of graduation rates from colleges and universities in many countries, including the U.S. In the U.S., women now earn more than 57% of all bachelor's degrees and a similar proportion of graduate degrees. Men, on the other hand, have shown a decline in college attendance rates over the past few decades.
• Academic Performance: A report by the American Council on Education indicates that women consistently perform better academically in high school and college in terms of GPA and test scores. The research points to a variety of factors, including women being more likely to attend college and finish their degree compared to men.
• International Comparisons: In several countries, such as the U.S., Canada, and many parts of Europe, women outperform men in education. In fact, women represent a growing majority in college populations, with countries like the U.S. and the U.K. seeing a steady increase in female students in higher education over the last few decades.

Additionally, female-led companies often have steadier, long-term growth. MSCI reported that companies led by women saw 10‑point better returns on equity over time. Male-led companies may pursue faster growth, but often at the cost of higher risk and volatility. In contrast, female-led companies often achieve more sustained and stable growth. During crises like the pandemic, firms led by women were perceived as less risky, had better credit quality, and weathered downturns more reliably than male-led firms. A large-scale study of nearly 99,400 global firms found that companies led by women consistently outperformed male-led ones on exploitation metrics, such as productivity, innovation, and capacity utilization, but showed lower growth in sales and aggressive expansion behaviors like asset acquisition.

Now, I don’t necessarily care about who is outperforming whom; my point is that it was once believed women were absolutely incapable, stupid, irrational, and too dumb to even pursue any kind of education, let alone college-level work, PhDs, or CEO positions. The idea that they could outperform men was considered insane. That’s what I mean when it comes to over-stereotyping. I agree that there are gender differences, but we have to be careful not to make mistakes like this one that heavily overstep and damage society overall.

We need intelligence, and the more we tell people they’re not meant to be smart or capable of survival, the more harm we do, not just to that gender, but to society as a whole. If a woman is intelligent, we should encourage her, because we need more bright minds to elevate society. These narratives can be extremely damaging and subtly creep into our subconscious.

You probably don’t believe that black men are somehow inferior to white men, right? I’d hope not. Yet, no one is using the argument, “Oh, why aren’t there any black inventors or scientists? It always seems to be predominantly white people who are seen as the innovators! This is why white supremacy is the truth! White men are superior to black men!"

We often forget this argument when it comes to women and how much they’ve been suppressed throughout history.