Thoughts on NDE? (near death experienes)

[Cosmiin]

I have been watching lately a lot of NDE videos. They are very interesting and it's fascinating to see how they also relate to what @Leo Gurais saying.  What are your thoughts on them?  

[cetus]

What NDE's have in common is the transcending of the egoic identity (surrender) which leads to awakening to higher Truths. But truth be told no one has to be near physical death to realize these Truths. That is an extreme and excessive way to go about discovering truth. Truth is always within and accessible to those who truly want to know.

Edited August 6 by cetus

[Hojo]

The people actually died. You can die and come back. Nde ers know that God exists but they don't know what it is. They all say they see God but treat it as if its just a place.

Edited August 6 by Hojo

[martin_malin]

I'm most fascinated by the life reviews testimonies where report experiencing how they made others feel during their lifetime. They learn that there are no insignificant moments...Every kind gesture or loving thought is saved. 

[Ishanga]

I think most of the NDE's are imaginary states of sorts, like being high on a psychedelic of something, for sure the Experiencer is experiencing something and it seems real to them, its all within themselves, and they say DMT is released at moment of extreme stress or death so this may be responsible for it..

Deep down we are basically all the same, the images and feelings the come up, whether one temporarily dies and sees Jesus, or Buddha or Mohammed, its just a representation of sorts that is culturally based, and with karma in play and the idea of many lifetimes being lived thru a body, someone raised in America and in a Christian Home, may see Buddha or Mohammed in their experience, this means little, its just a representation of what is available to them, which is if You set Yourself up the right way, at the moment of death, you could go on to very Blissful states of Experience and Learning...

Its for sure a fascinating phenomenon, and we will all live thru it someday!!

[Dodo]

Almost a month ago, I jumped. It wasnt because i believed reality is a dream, I actually fully proved to myself that it isnt. 

I saw the butterfly I claimed earlier that I am, and it kept reapppearing, proving over and over again this is real, and that it is way beyond my human understanding. 

In the end, reality shifted so much, yet remained real, I felt like i was the only one left to be enlightened, i was the only one remaining ignorant.The heavens stopped moving, there were masks, "people" appeared to me like they knew something I dont, like they are part of a higher collective that I dont have access to. i felt that I am betraying my people, all the people I knew throughout my life, and my country, by not fulfilling my destiny... 

So i jumped. I did it, knowing fully this is real, not a dream.

Somehow, I survived, and reality cared for me, I am crying as I write this from the hospital. I cant explain what happened before I jumped, but it was all way beyond my mind. Reality changed yet it remained normal and real. I think i already mentioned that... I was given many signs that I have to do the leap of faith and I have to jump.

There are so many things I cant really explain to others, like I cant explain a movie after I've watched it... but I would consider what happened to me as an NDE, but not the usual one. It felt like I was being guided back to actual life, and now I am in the cocoon (chrysalis) stage as I'm recovering. 

Ps: i am not suicidal, reality just happened as it had to happen, I am recovering now after multiple surgeries. We are one but we're not the same 🎵

Edited August 7 by Dodo

[MutedMiles]

For self whole life is a struggle to somehow escape death, so all this façade can very easily be a ploy to survive death. For what else one can be interested in these fairy tale NDE stories?? 

Death is death that's all, until you experience it otherwise. This goody good, fairytale view of the world can very easily create delusions.

So I think right question one needs to ask himself is this:

what purpose these stories are serving for me? why I like them?

[Jodistrict]

I knew someone who had two NDEs.  He had a genetic heart condition and died twice.  He had super self confidence and seemed to be fearless which added to the credibility of his story. 

[Dodo]

On 06/08/2025 at 5:56 PM, cetus said:

What NDE's have in common is the transcending of the egoic identity (surrender) which leads to awakening to higher Truths. But truth be told no one has to be near physical death to realize these Truths. That is an extreme and excessive way to go about discovering truth. Truth is always within and accessible to those who truly want to know.

i got this video suggested to me while I was recovering in hospital after a Neo type of experience which I aalready mentioned a bit in previous posts. I mentioned only the tip of the iceberg, just like I cant explain to others the movie the matrix i cant explain to them what happened in my life, which was nothing short of crazy and miraculous, even tho I didnt have superpowers. 

Crazy, isnt it

 

[Cheese]

I asked a theosophist why people who experienced NDE could see and hear outside their body. Was answered that our real sight and hearing is inside the Astral form. Read a story (haven't fact checked it yet) of Elisabeth Kübler-Ross study. A blind women experienced an NDE and could see her surroundings at the experience. Afterwards she went into depression from the knowing of what she missed ( the ability of seeing).

[Oppositionless]

Skeptics will say it's explainable because some brain activity remains after a cardiac arrest. But that begs the question of why anasthesia removes consciousness with more leftover brain activity than in the case of an cardiac arrest nde. I guess you could argue that anasthesia targets specific brain regions associated with consciousness, but I find it highly improbable that those regions are not disturbed even more so in the case of an NDE. Also, some of them occur during surgery, with the addition of anasthesia. I have not decided what to make of it.

 

Some also report veridical details about what was going on with their operation and even what was going on in different rooms during their experience. NDEs are also not the only data point. Remote viewers report similar veridical details beyond the reach of the five senses. 

[cetus]

On 8/7/2025 at 2:12 PM, Dodo said:

i got this video suggested to me while I was recovering in hospital after a Neo type of experience which I aalready mentioned a bit in previous posts. I mentioned only the tip of the iceberg, just like I cant explain to others the movie the matrix i cant explain to them what happened in my life, which was nothing short of crazy and miraculous, even tho I didnt have superpowers. 

Crazy, isnt it

 

You are a programmer that has created a reality. Every challenge meet is the program challenging itself to grow.

"We are all here to do what we're all here to do"

[Princess Arabia]

On 8/7/2025 at 0:11 PM, Dodo said:

Almost a month ago, I jumped. It wasnt because i believed reality is a dream, I actually fully proved to myself that it isnt. 

I saw the butterfly I claimed earlier that I am, and it kept reapppearing, proving over and over again this is real, and that it is way beyond my human understanding. 

In the end, reality shifted so much, yet remained real, I felt like i was the only one left to be enlightened, i was the only one remaining ignorant.The heavens stopped moving, there were masks, "people" appeared to me like they knew something I dont, like they are part of a higher collective that I dont have access to. i felt that I am betraying my people, all the people I knew throughout my life, and my country, by not fulfilling my destiny... 

So i jumped. I did it, knowing fully this is real, not a dream.

Somehow, I survived, and reality cared for me, I am crying as I write this from the hospital. I cant explain what happened before I jumped, but it was all way beyond my mind. Reality changed yet it remained normal and real. I think i already mentioned that... I was given many signs that I have to do the leap of faith and I have to jump.

There are so many things I cant really explain to others, like I cant explain a movie after I've watched it... but I would consider what happened to me as an NDE, but not the usual one. It felt like I was being guided back to actual life, and now I am in the cocoon (chrysalis) stage as I'm recovering. 

Ps: i am not suicidal, reality just happened as it had to happen, I am recovering now after multiple surgeries. We are one but we're not the same 🎵

Are you saying that you actually jumped on purpose. Tried to kill yourself. I know you said you're not suicidal, so I'm a bit confused about what you're saying. Are you literally in the hospital now from the injuries and how are you doing, if that's the case. 

[Princess Arabia]

On 8/7/2025 at 3:16 PM, Cheese said:

I asked a theosophist why people who experienced NDE could see and hear outside their body. Was answered that our real sight and hearing is inside the Astral form. Read a story (haven't fact checked it yet) of Elisabeth Kübler-Ross study. A blind women experienced an NDE and could see her surroundings at the experience. Afterwards she went into depression from the knowing of what she missed ( the ability of seeing).

I can see this to be the case because the biggest question I have is how are we all seeing the same things from different sets of eyes and hearing the same things from different sets of ears. This explains why to a degree, even though I still see it as a form of illusion and it's just seeing happening and no one is actually seeing anything.

Edited Sunday at 10:19 PM by Princess Arabia

[OBEler]

@Dodo I am sorry for your destiny. I don't know your background, why did you really jump? You were in a drug induced psychosis and decided to jump because you thought it was the right thing to do to fulfill your destiny otherwise it would betray your country? How can you fall into this delusion. What happened before to this point? You don't sound like you have some issues.

Edit: ah you made some posts about it you said. Ok I will try to find them.

Edited Sunday at 10:21 PM by OBEler

[Carl-Richard]

20 hours ago, Oppositionless said:

Skeptics will say it's explainable because some brain activity remains after a cardiac arrest.

Brain-experience correlations aside, brain explaining consciousness is completely incoherent. Ions and fluids floating in and out of barriers (neuronal potentials) => the experience of sounds, colors, sensations? Nothing is explained there. It's like explaining the weather by saying the word "atoms". At the very most, it's the most vacuous shell of an explanation.

Edited Monday at 05:10 PM by Carl-Richard

[Oppositionless]

5 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Brain-experience correlations aside, brain explaining consciousness is completely incoherent. Ions and fluids floating in and out of barriers (neuronal potentials) => the experience of sounds, colors, sensations? Nothing is explained there. It's like explaining the weather by saying the word "atoms". At the very most, it's the most vacuous shell of an explanation.

Yes i agree . The hard problem is deadly , and all the other arguments from paranormal phenomena are merely the nails in materialism's coffin.

 

But I also don't think immortality is a guarantee. The Absolute could imagine my survival after death, or not, and neither would be wrong. It's perfect either way. Survival seems baked into certain theories I call experientialism (the subjective idealism of Bernardo Kastrup and other related ideas), but if you read the words of Ramana, "only that which exists in deep dreamless sleep is real" and find they ring true, you are forced to accept that survival isn't baked into metaphysics. Which is scary for some.

In short i think pursuing Truth for the sake of personal immortality is an egoic corruption. But ndes are interesting and the most I can say about them is that they seem to convince the people who have them that there is more.

Edited Monday at 10:43 PM by Oppositionless

[Dodo]

On 10/08/2025 at 11:20 PM, OBEler said:

@Dodo I am sorry for your destiny. I don't know your background, why did you really jump? You were in a drug induced psychosis and decided to jump because you thought it was the right thing to do to fulfill your destiny otherwise it would betray your country? How can you fall into this delusion. What happened before to this point? You don't sound like you have some issues.

Edit: ah you made some posts about it you said. Ok I will try to find them.

I wasnt on drugs, you could say I was cleansing from drugs. But reality just shaped different than usual, it was like everything stopped and it was just me under a microscope, my past, beyond even my human life, it felt biblical you might say. Like my life had immense purpose and meaning, one for all and all for one. It was like many souls relied on me and what I do.

I received multiple signs and synchronicities thst i have to jump. Some more obvious than others, shooting star you can say is just me, but I also received a reddit message from someone who asked if he should jump and asked me of im trully conscious, as if thats the only option once you become trully conscious. I referred him to Samatarians, but I did not take my own advice. I cant really explain everything that lead to the moment of the jump, but it felt like i needed to make a sacrifice - One for all and all for one type of deal. I felt like I was betraying everyone that put their faith in me. I really cant explain. It felt like a calling, like it had to happen. I do not regret, im only surprised I survived. And I've been reliant on Others and reality to get me back to health. Currently still in hospital, and my tripping kept happening in the hospital, different challenges, quiet spiritual, . It was connected to AI, to the web, to Christianity/Jesus, to spiders, to cats, to God, Natural Intelligence, to timelines, to the Real Timeline, dreams, fear, fear of dreams creating reality, movies, spiderman, darth vader, Me,  etc... I really cant explain coherently.

For sure tho during my experiences I created reality, in a deeply meaningful way for me, i knew that was my creation, yet I dont know how and why and what it means, or how to do it again, or if I want to do it again. I would rather be just a vessel, as I was warned earlier by the crowd at the train station "You cant win. You're just a vessel" was shouted at the busy trainstation. Well, i can win, if I want to be just a vessel! Vesel means Happy in my home language 😊 funny coincidence

Ps: I was there before SoonHei jumped, and I had private conversations with him. My case I didnt jump because I viewed reality as a dream, it was rather the opposite, however it was all connected with solipsism. 

Edited Tuesday at 01:20 PM by Dodo

[OBEler]

@DodoHow I would explain that to me was that you were in an awakened state, you saw the interconnectedness and at the same time a deep psychological pattern/archetype in your ego was activated. The archetype for making sacrifices for the higher good. So this was a mix of ego and enlightenment, which can lead to delusional decisions.

It is still unbelievable to see how you were not afraid to jump. I mean you were still in reality and knew the consequences. It needs immense force to do that. I am glad you slowly recover from that. 

 

[Dodo]

1 hour ago, OBEler said:

@DodoHow I would explain that to me was that you were in an awakened state, you saw the interconnectedness and at the same time a deep psychological pattern/archetype in your ego was activated. The archetype for making sacrifices for the higher good. So this was a mix of ego and enlightenment, which can lead to delusional decisions.

It is still unbelievable to see how you were not afraid to jump. I mean you were still in reality and knew the consequences. It needs immense force to do that. I am glad you slowly recover from that. 

 

It was very much the cross between time and timeless. There undeniably is a story happening, unfolding,  or we can't really say its the year 2025. Thats one real story and humanity is pretty real, no? And 2025 after Christ, marking Christ Jesus as real and vital as well to our story. To consensus reality... in a way, i have been ignoring the time dimension for so long, being centered in the Now, and time had its counter argument - me as a human, what am I without time? Why should I even be alive as a human, if I don't respect time? I had to give something back, perhaps show im prepared to take my fair share of pain as well, to grow up from my fantasy that I was crafting in the timeless, which mightve affected other beings negatively! 

I do believe the cross signifies this, marriage between the time dimension and the timeless. Ignoring the time dimension seems to be playing a game of ignoring, and only time dimension is also a game of ignoring. When we add the two together, we get the cross ✝️  both dimensions at once, and crazy things begin to unfold when we try to balance between both ultimately contradictory points of view, but nonduality should be able to include both! 

I can't deny its the year 2025. And my own humanity. My life felt like it has purpose and meaning, not just this moment, but the events themselves. And i believe its a way for my soul to purify and glow up in a way. I dont see it as ego, but as grounding, perhaps, I grounded myself pretty literally. I fell from my metaphorical high ground. 

Like an ant that wanted to be a loner, but then gets injured and realises its pretty good that there is an entire colony that cares about it, and that the colony is much greater than any one piece inside it.