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[Wilhelm44]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

But Jesus was a Jew so doesn't that mean he had the inside knowledge as well?  

Of course, Jesus was the son of God, like you and me 

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Of course, Jesus was the son of God, like you and me 

The like you and me part is where many get lost sadly.  

Edited yesterday at 03:33 PM by Inliytened1

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

You made me think.  It's the people not the religion.  

And let me guess, those particular people you are referring to are not very openminded, nuanced, capable of taking multiple perspectives, critiquing frames, seeing the whole picture, familiar with non-duality, all the good stuff you like, and that if you were to find a Christian who possesses these qualities, you wouldn't have much of a problem with them?

[Wilhelm44]

7 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I mean i have one and read most of it but it’s not that great imo. For example Baghavad Gita or Jim Newman are nicer imo. 

Kabbalah is quite hard to study, not my cup of tea either, but I can see there's some real power there.

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

and that if you were to find a Christian who possesses these qualities, you wouldn't have much of a problem with them?

They wouldn't be much of a Christian now would they then.

Some problems are better left unsolved. 

 

Edited yesterday at 03:38 PM by Inliytened1

[Wilhelm44]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

The like you and me part is where many get lost sadly.  

Yeah, it's the one quote from the bible that most Christians conveniently ignore: "What I have done, you shall do also, and much more."

[Carl-Richard]

9 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

They wouldn't be much of a Christian now would they then.

Why? Such Christians exist, just like there exists closeminded New Agers.

Edited yesterday at 03:46 PM by Carl-Richard

[PurpleTree]

14 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Kabbalah is quite hard to study, not my cup of tea either, but I can see there's some real power there.

A lot of stuff in there is nonsense i feel like. The Golem for example what’s so nice about it.

[Wilhelm44]

2 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

A lot of stuff in there is nonsense i feel like. The Golem for example what’s so nice about it.

I see a Golem is a clay figure brought to life by magic.

Is this part of Kabbalah studies though ?

[Nemra]

32 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Because he's just a pawn in your game of Chess.

My question was aimed at Jesus-shmesus believers.

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Why? Such Christians exist, just like there exists closeminded New Agers.

Open minded to other possibilities?  Those exist?  Show me some. I haven't found any yet and i have been inside Churches. If they exist then they would also ponder other avenues.

Edited yesterday at 03:54 PM by Inliytened1

[Wilhelm44]

4 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Open minded to other possibilities?  Those exist?  Show me some. I haven't found any yet and i have been inside Churches. If they exist then they would also ponder other avenues.

I think a lot of Christians walk around with doubts. The biggest one is the belief that you only go to heaven if you believe in Jesus as your savior. Which means Christians are suppose to look at Buddhists doing loads of good deeds, and secretly believing them guys are going to hell. That one alone must cause some doubt for a lot of people. 

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I think a lot of Christians walk around with doubts. The biggest one is the belief that you only go to heaven if you believe in Jesus as your savior. Which means Christians are suppose to look at Buddhists doing loads of good deeds, and secretly believing them guys are going to hell. That one alone must cause some doubt for a lot of people. 

Precisely.  But they ignore it. They turn the other cheek.  It's plain and as clear as day right in front of them but it doesn't matter.  A fleeting thought.  If they choose to look further it would threaten their entire identity.  Once you make it your identity it's over.

Edited yesterday at 04:06 PM by Inliytened1

[Wilhelm44]

14 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Precisely.  But they ignore it. They turn the other cheek.  It's plain and as clear as day right in front of them but it doesn't matter.  A fleeting thought.  If they choose to look further it would threaten their entire identity.  Once you make it your identity it's over.

Not so easy to get out of a cult. Usually takes an existential crisis. 

[Jodistrict]

The only problem I have with Christianity is their insistence that they are the only way.  The higher philosophies of Hinduism are so much more mature and embrace all paths to the divine. 

Swami Vivekananda explains it as follows, noting that intolerance is not exclusive to one faith.

“The one great advantage of Bhakti is that it is the easiest, and the most natural way to reach the great divine end in view; its great disadvantage is that in its lower forms it oftentimes degenerates into hideous fanaticism. The fanatical crew in Hinduism, or Mohammedanism, or Christianity, have always been almost exclusively recruited from these worshippers on the lower planes of Bhakti. That singleness of attachment (Nishthâ) to a loved object, without which no genuine love can grow, is very often also the cause of the denunciation of everything else. All the weak and undeveloped minds in every religion or country have only one way of loving their own ideal, i.e. by hating every other ideal. Herein is the explanation of why the same man who is so lovingly attached to his own ideal of God, so devoted to his own ideal of religion, becomes a howling fanatic as soon as he sees or hears anything of any other ideal.”

[UnbornTao]

In the context of this thread, if you followed Hinduism and believed in hundreds of gods, you'd be fucked.  And overwhelmed.

"Which one do I pick now?"

Edited 19 hours ago by UnbornTao

[Eskilon]

17 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Ultimate skepticism is "meh we can't know anything so what is the difference?". Pragmatism is when you take the step out of Peter Pan land and into the harsh reality and ask "what is the best bet?".

True skepticism is not "meh we can't know anything so what is the difference", you don't even know if you can't know, if you are being truly honest with yourself. So the skeptic who says that is just a bullshitter.

You also cant do away with skepticism, while being human. What you call Pragmatism and the logic behind it, was inventend only because of a certain degree of skepticism. Every belief system is born out of skepctism, out of doubts and questions. How much skepticism is baked into this belief system? Now that`s a powerful question.

Edited yesterday at 04:54 PM by Eskilon

[Inliytened1]

12 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

The only problem I have with Christianity is their insistence that they are the only way.

All religions hold that it's just that Christianity wears it on its sleeve.  

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

Open minded to other possibilities?  Those exist?  Show me some. I haven't found any yet and i have been inside Churches. If they exist then they would also ponder other avenues.

• Rupert Sheldrake. Here he also mentions many other examples of (sometimes leading) Christians thinkers like him ("Christian perennialists"):

• My bachelor advisor (and others at the faculty, particularly the guy who had us in philosophy).

There is also a model (and others) that describes these types of Christian/religious people ("Second Naivete"):

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12144-021-02367-2

 

Quote

Second naiveté is faith reconstituted in the aftermath of criticism. It is the willingness to re-embrace religious language and religious modalities after a rupture--intellectual or experiential--has robbed one of innocence.

https://www.sefaria.org/sheets/287180?lang=bi

It's basically another formulation of the Wilberian pre-trans distinction.

Edited yesterday at 05:07 PM by Carl-Richard

[Inliytened1]

7 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

• Rupert Sheldrake. Here he also mentions many other examples of (sometimes leading) Christians thinkers like him ("Christian perennialists"):

• My bachelor advisor (and others at the faculty, particularly the guy who had us in philosophy).

There is also a model (and others) that describes these types of Christian/religious people ("Second Naivete"):

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12144-021-02367-2

 

Ok but you see he does not make Christianity his identity.  You can see that in his words.  He isn't coming out with the real reason he remains a Christian but it's not because of Jesus.

 

Edited yesterday at 05:08 PM by Inliytened1