New Video: What Is Fake Spirituality?

[Sugarcoat]

20 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

To my understanding pain and suffering are 2 different things.

Is it something you directly experience?

20 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

 

Feelings - pain - are real. Nerves stimulates to generate pain. Emotions are something self generated. Suffering is something you generate as part of your narrative of self. 

So when you have physical pain, the suffering is not inherent in the experience of the pain, instead it’s caused by the minds reaction to the pain (the resistance)?

20 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

 

Meditation numbs physical pain. I have experienced this. You could say women suffer pain their monthly cleansing. This is when I meditate most as a stronger method than painkillers 

When you meditate on the pain do you put your attention on it directly or how do you do? I have just a little bit of experience in how directing your attention to a physical sensation can change the experience of it

 

[yetineti]

@Judy2

If you’re struggling with general emotional regulation, I’d suggest making sure your diet and health is undeniably good.

It would also be helpful to set aside ‘don’t think about it time.’ Time where you don’t try to work with your emotions and you focus on something fun.

That will free up some energy for the real work and you can start taking notice to how different scenarios affect your emotions, including good ones.

You don’t want to just dive into the negative stuff. Try to become more aware of the good feelings too.

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I am hyper emotional. I am constantly running possibilities through my head, seeing how I feel, trying to take responsibility, etc.

It is overwhelming but it works. 

If you’re in a good state of mind you can take it one topic at a time.

Ex: 

‘Dad called’

*something shifts. I’m upset, sad, worried, etc.*

Why?

*because*

Can I do something about the because?

Yes or no?

If yes, why haven’t I? See how you feel then.

If no, why do I let it bother me? See how you feel then.

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The issue most people run into is one of these scenarios leads to an endless stream of other explanations and separate scenarios.

That’s not a bug it’s a feature.

You could have an emotional issue with your father that connects to a discomfort in eating apples or going to the zoo/insert anything, for example.

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People also get caught up because often times bad feelings get explained by other bad feelings and guilt is felt for it.

This is really just a process of guilt release.

It’s important to realize this and not beat yourself up because it’s going to all feel the same until you get some where.

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It’s really that simple. You just have to be healthy and take it one step at a time.

Proper emotional regulation, really just comes from a grounded sense of self.

And the only way you’re gonna have a grounded sense of self is by sensing yourself more!

It’s kind of cool really.

 

Edited Thursday at 04:36 PM by yetineti

[Rafael Thundercat]

Example of Social media Newage Fake Spirituality. 

This girl make up herself believe she can predict Disasters. Well maybe is possible lets no deny. The question is the excusse one need to invent when the disaster dont happen

Here is the prediction

"A few psychic updates:

Alaska: The 7.3 earthquake and coming tsunami is only one of many in the near future. There are too many timelines of earthquakes to predict each one, but we can help energetically protect.

Yellowstone: An eruption timeline is not very strong, although it is possible. I see fires as a far likelier timeline here.

We’re in for a cataclysmic decade, but a new world is coming. Whenever you’re afraid, counter that fear by saying with me:

“Peace on earth in every timeline.”

Than couples posts later:

"Whenever natural disasters (warned by meteorologists or psychics like me) do not happen, consider it a *blessing* and proof of our collective consciousness at work to protect as many lives as possible. Disasters cannot all be avoided. Earth is remaking herself. Simultaneously, we are each growing more powerful by the day. Our combined energy will stave off hurricanes, calm waters, still air, and control fires. The miracles from Sunday School have nothing on what it is to come."

Edited Thursday at 04:40 PM by Rafael Thundercat

[Judy2]

1 hour ago, yetineti said:

It would also be helpful to set aside ‘don’t think about it time.’ Time where you don’t try to work with your emotions and you focus on something fun.

 

When I'm stressed about something, it feels as though my life literally depends on it. Forgetting about it and focussing on something else isn't so easy. 

But yeah, other than that, what you are saying makes sense:)

Edited Thursday at 06:02 PM by Judy2

[yetineti]

@Judy2

1 hour ago, Judy2 said:

When I'm stressed about something, it feels as though my life literally depends on it. Forgetting about it and focussing on something else isn't so easy. 

I understand however maybe that’s the first emotion you need to keep an eye on.

You feel pressure when thinking of taking a break or pausing something you feel is important or a priority over a break.

That’s not healthy.

It could be caused by a feeling of guilt, about the break itself. Or it could be more about what it is you feel you must accomplish instead of the break.

Either way, a balance must be struck.

Maybe ask yourself:

Why do I feel like x y and z is so important I can not rest?

Why do I ramp up activity to compensate for what could already be emotional exhaustion?

etc.

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Your reasons and answers are the difference between being comfortable and understanding and not.

Unfortunately, the answers are personal and nobody will be able to point them out to you without great insight.

Even then, you’ll have to realize it yourself too.

 

Edited Thursday at 07:23 PM by yetineti

[Thought Art]

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/16DXiBH3Zi/?mibextid=wwXIfr
 

[Judy2]

@yetineti(:

[Davino]

"What is obstructing my Consciousness?"

What a powerful question, I can't get it out of my mind.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

7 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Is it something you directly experience?

Yes. And I have stopped much of my own suffering. My posts in this thread are from lived experience and deep understanding of my own behaviour. Contemplation, reflection, self analysis, hypnagogic states where subconscious elements 'appear to come out of no where' but they don't. They have a source. Dreams are similar. Many nights and evenings spent listening to music, paralyzed in thought, static, sitting on the carpet in my lounge while my mind unravels understanding and integrating. I do find this sort of work stops me in my tracks. Time stops. I can be frozen, thinking, for a long time.

7 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

So when you have physical pain, the suffering is not inherent in the experience of the pain, instead it’s caused by the minds reaction to the pain (the resistance)?

The suffering is the story I lay over the pain. It, in effect, through friction - enhances the pain. 'This is so painful, this is never going to end. Why is it happening to me?'

Think of this as a property of reality. Force between 2 objects - concrete floor and a pile of bricks. Imagine the pain as the force of the bricks baring down on the concrete. Suffering is attempting to push the bricks aside - notice the force downward on the concrete (pain) is the same - only now you have introduced more pain/suffering because there is a terrible friction between the 2 surfaces. Both concrete and bricks are wearing down. Heat is also arising from the shearing force of YOU pushing the bricks (the narrative).

Notice that you pushing the pile of bricks is something you are doing - its the narrative generating suffering 'labouring UNDER the pain'. The labour of pushing the bricks. Once you realise you are DOING this, you can grasp it. And stop doing it.

7 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

When you meditate on the pain do you put your attention on it directly or how do you do? I have just a little bit of experience in how directing your attention to a physical sensation can change the experience of it

This comes down to discernment. Deep interception. Because it is very difficult to be clear what is suffering and what is pain. In my personal experience - suffering can enhance pain. But when I meditate and fully focus on the pain, I notice with keen transparency that 50% of the pain is generated from my fear of it. From wanting to escape it. From judging it - from the narrative. When I focus down on the pain, it is just a sensation. I can acknowledge it is unpleasant. But it is only a sensation just like any other. It feels... neutralised. And because you are a woman, you will be familiar with the waves of crippling pain that come to CRUSH you, and just when you think you are going to throw up, cry out - it abates. The waves begin to feel less like tsunamis of pain. More like the sea gently lapping at the shoreline.

Focus on your ability to feel. Go into it. Learn there - discernment is key.

Just my experience. 

I want to finish this by posting the image of the Monk on fire meditating, but this image is very sensitive. It speaks to my points above.

As you go further into the work, your ability to control your body raises. Again this is a truth you have to discover for yourself <3

Edited Thursday at 11:52 PM by Natasha Tori Maru

[Leo Gura]

@Judy2 To answer your question, read Peter Ralston's book: Ending Unnecessary Suffering

It's all explained there.

[OBEler]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Judy2 To answer your question, read Peter Ralston's book: Ending Unnecessary Suffering

It's all explained there.

Did this book change your view on suffering? Is it a groundbreaking masterpiece or nothing really new for you?

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I want to touch on integrity in this thread - as it ties in deeply to many of the questions you all bring up. Integrity and true spirituality go hand in hand.

It's very important to be clear that the reason Leo is obsessed with truth, and why he repeats its importance (as a Zen master beats your ass with a stick!) is because the truth is at the heart of many deep psychological issues and pathologies:

Integrity is not just a moral issue. Get that shit out of your head now. It is a foundational metaphysical principal found in reality all around us. 

Integrity, and how it relates to YOU. That word. It might bring up morality, doing what is right. Ethics. Delete that from your mind. What does it really mean, at its base before we add on the narrative of morals? The state of being whole. Undivided. Now because I work in construction I went to this before anything else - material properties: Material integrity refers to the ability of a material to maintain its intended properties and performance under specified conditions and over its expected lifespan. 

When a material has a crack it is structurally compromised. Weakened. No longer whole. Diminished. When a material is internally aligned and fused, it is strong. Like carbon in a diamond - and coal is also carbon. Its carbon molecules are not aligned, not cohesive, so its integrity is shit. It's brittle. A diamond is carbon, only its molecules are in a lattice. It is whole, cohesive, strong. Undiminished. 

This is an example of integrity. It is baked into reality. Into existence. Its not moral! This is existential shit. You can find examples in your reality all over the place. 

Now back to your own truth seeking, truth telling, spirituality and pathology.

When you lie (or withhold), act out of dishonesty, you do it because you want something. You want the pussy. The candy. To avoid pain. To avoid consequences. Whatever. You lie to get it. You compromise your integrity. And when you do that, you create a split in your internal state and behaviour/actions in reality. You exist in that split. You create a fissure in your consciousness. You lose some integrity, you don't function as well. You diminish yourself. Your self esteem drops. THIS IS AN UNAVOIDABLE CONSEQUENCE. You just think you get away with with it because you don't SEE THE CONSEQUENCES. This is a property of reality, not some moral idealism turds! You are literally fracturing yourself. Your whole, diamond self. YOU are doing this. Diminishing yourself. You don't see what you are doing to your experience! And you want to have a pure experience to elevate consciousness.

This leads to pathological behaviour. If you aren't sensitive and don't pay real full attention to your emotional and feeling states, if your consciousness is low, you won't feel the consequences. But underneath you will cause this integrity drop. Because you didn't act out truth. Your inner state and your outside actions didn't align. You obliterated your authenticity. Removed yourself from your body. Consciousness - split. Like the diamond with a crack. And you will feel like shit! You are killing your experience. You are compromised and won't function properly from the internal fracture. Operating out in the world is now diminished.

So you escape into pleasure because you diminished your experience and ability to love and appreciate all around you. You don't function optimally -there's that fucken crack. You aren't getting what you should from experience due to the fracture inside you. You have generated self hate and loathing. You did that! You try to control in other ways. Dive into hedonism. Addictions. Eating disorders. Endless social media. Hookers. Sex. Porn. You are now trying to escape the fact that you have ruined your experience of reality by falling into hedonism.

This business of lies does this, because it is existential. 

This is why real spirituality is about Truth. Why Leo is like a bulldozer toward it (to my perception anyway Leo, don't let me speak anything that isn't my correct perception!). This is why spirituality can assist with healing on all levels. It's the truth that heals. Integrity. You are whole. A diamond. It is YOU that is doing this diminishing.

I realise we cannot all tell the truth, all the time. But you have to operate with integrity, as much as you can. All this includes lies you tell yourself.

And understand it is a fundamental property of the universe and God. Truth. Integrity. 

Not some moral bullshit.

You can heal deep psychological and pathological stuff with this work. I've been trying to personally bring the realms of emotion and feeling to this to try to understand the mechanisms, because this has worked for myself. As my personal, lived, direct experience.

 

tl;dr - what Leo said above about Ralston's book 

 

Edited Friday at 12:53 AM by Natasha Tori Maru

[Leo Gura]

41 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

It's very important to be clear that the reason Leo is obsessed with truth, and why he repeats its importance (as a Zen master beats your ass with a stick!) is because the truth is at the heart of many deep psychological issues and pathologies:

The reason I beat you with truth is because YOU ARE TRUTH.

I don't care about your psychological issues. I care that you realize you ARE truth.

Edited Friday at 01:19 AM by Leo Gura

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The reason I beat you with truth is because YOU ARE TRUTH.

I don't care about your psychological issues. I care that you realize you ARE truth.

That is caring though

 

 

don't bring the stick I beg you 

[Leo Gura]

@Natasha Tori Maru

[Judy2]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Judy2 To answer your question, read Peter Ralston's book: Ending Unnecessary Suffering

It's all explained there.

will do - thank you:)

[RendHeaven]

3 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

You want the pussy.

Are we that easy to read? 😮‍💨

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 minute ago, RendHeaven said:

Are we that easy to read? 😮‍💨

The raw, direct EXPERIENCE of the pussy. The TRUTH of the pussy... No self pussy.

In the name of spirituality of course, God consciousness delivered through dick. With all the kumbaya woo shit just for the ladies  

[Cocolove]

I spend hours today talking to fundamentalist blue christians who take the bible completely literally. And recently have been around a lot of green new age hippies. It's crazy how rare it is to find someone who isn't deluding themselves about how "spiritual" all their beliefs are. I really apreciate leo's work because if i hadnt been following him and practicing for the past 9 years id be so much more wrapped up in really believing in petty human bullshit.

The actualized community sounds fun lol ill pay $1000 to go do ayahuasca together and we can also circle around leo and jerk his epistemic cock.

[Rafael Thundercat]

When @Leo Gura talks about someone making up stuff like "I was a Faraoh in Ancient Egipt" Stefano is that came to me as an example 

Well well  and look whos podcasts he os being interviewed.