Is it worth it to try and get my family off Trump?

[mud]

As I learn, develop, and as the world heads towards further instability under Trump, it's becoming much harder for me to tolerate my conservative Trump supporting mom and brother. I love them both so much obviously but here and there and at the dinner table it just becomes unbearable to hear them spew about Fox News propoganda and other overblown and unsubstantiated right-wing talking points. My stage Green passion doesn't prove to be a force for them to change or consider things differently. I see them ultimately as victims to the machine and it hurts. 

My mom is someone who was otherwise apolitical for most of her life, but she got tired of CNN/MSNBC years ago and how they would always seem to bash Bush. So for years she's been watching Fox. She's able to retain liberal views on certain things but overall still falls for a lot of right-wing BS at face value. But with enough time and thorough convincing I could maybe try to get her to see things more rationally and big picture again. Stage Blue/Orange

My brother on the other hand, in many ways he is wired differently, developmentally behind his age and doesn't seem to care about much beyond himself. Very Stage Red/Blue.

Recently I've decided that it might not be worth talking to them about this stuff especially because I don't have commentator-level political knowledge and wherewithal to talk. 

Do I set a boundary and walk away from the table, in a way sticking my head in the sand whenever politics come up, plagued by cognitive dissonance indefinitely? Or do I try so hard to educate myself on politics for hours a day so I can feel confident and substantive to try and only possibly convince them? I don't know. 

As someone who went from Stage Blue trump supporter, to orange libertarian/liberal, to mostly tapping Green left nowadays, and starting to access Yellow non-judgement of the stages, I want to know what a good course of action would be. I love my family and I just want them to think critically and not fall for bullshit.

[samijiben]

Use it as meditation non-reactive practice. When they are talking shit, u train your mind to not be emotionally reactive & to remain indifferent. Will help you understand human psychology & politics & yourself better. 

Ultimate solution = move out

[samijiben]

Trying to change someone else's mind is a big NO. Doesn't work. 

[mud]

12 minutes ago, samijiben said:

Use it as meditation non-reactive practice. When they are talking shit, u train your mind to not be emotionally reactive & to remain indifferent. Will help you understand human psychology & politics & yourself better. 

Yeah, straightforward. Although I'm not sure exactly how it will help me understand psychology and politics better. You mean their psychology? And for politics yes I know that where I stand isn't 100% correct on everything and that nuances are everywhere to be found but from my experience getting out of the right-wing, getting down to it there isn't much substance to most arguments. At least in an interobjective sense.

17 minutes ago, samijiben said:

Ultimate solution = move out

In due time.

[samijiben]

When I say will help you understand psychology & politics better, is because observation = most powerful way to learn

If you do practice I told you, you will learn all kinds of shit abt all kinds of things. WHAT you will be learning is irrelevant. You Shall See! Do it!

Again, just observing and not being reactive. Just perceiving, not reacting. Simple. Don't get caught up in the psychology or politics. Then you will have the best understanding of the psychology & politics.

[PenguinPablo]

If they were so undeveloped they fell for Trump, you won't be able to make any meaningful changes.

[mud]

4 hours ago, PenguinPablo said:

If they were so undeveloped they fell for Trump, you won't be able to make any meaningful changes.

For my brother probably but for my Mom I see the same kind of views and local maxima thinking that I had when I was MAGA in middle school. To say that you can't make meaningful changes to anyone who falls for Trump is pessimistic.

[LordFall]

@mud I would mostly ask questions and keep the open mindedness instead of injecting your opinions into the conversation. Low consciousness is mostly based on lack of introspection so if you get them to dig deeper into their own beliefs by sharing them with you in a non judgemental setting that goes a long way I find. That's spiral wizardry 101, you're also failing by considering your stage green perspective superior and looking to proselytize them. 

I would also watch both the Leo videos on understanding the conservative/liberal mind, its a beautiful explanation of what makes people liberal or conservative. Seek first to understand then to be understood. 

[Spiral]

Trying to change people(that don’t want to change) is not a worthwhile endeavor.

Only being objectively right won’t change people’s mind. Regardless of the topic.

Learn to tolerate them, try to understand their point of view. Be compassionate, towards their failures.

[Jacob Morres]

12 hours ago, PenguinPablo said:

If they were so undeveloped they fell for Trump, you won't be able to make any meaningful changes.

You'd be surprised. I've had some conversations where I helped move the needle with some people. Usually their ideology is really baked and there is like 50 philosophies that their ideology is based on but you can probably help with a couple here or there 

Edited 2 hours ago by Jacob Morres