Is the US now at war with Iran? (US vs. Iran Discussion)

[Daniel Balan]

15 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

And you're here watching

You're still "here" whether you are on the sidelines or not.  And I'm sure you have an opinion on the matter otherwise you would probably just be playing Elden Ring.  And if you are playing Elden Ring while posting then I stand corrected 😉

I have no opinion, I don't know what is happening, one side says Israel&USA is wrong, the other says Iran is wrong, I am unable to form an accurate opinion, I would need to study this conflict for over 10 years everyday and still I wouldn't be able to decide what is the truth! Both sides have some truth to them, but the situation is too unclear for me to have an opinion.

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

I have no opinion, I don't know what is happening, one side says Israel&USA is wrong, the other says Iran is wrong, I am unable to form an accurate opinion, I would need to study this conflict for over 10 years everyday and still I wouldn't be able to decide what is the truth! Both sides have some truth to them, but the situation is too unclear for me to have an opinion.

You could study it for 100 years and it would still be relative.  The Truth is relative to which perspective you are approaching things from.  This cannot be escaped no matter what.  Even if 99 percent of us said Israel was the good guy that would not make it Absolute Truth.  In fact even if 100 percent of us believed Israel was the good guy and Iran surrendered today and said Israel was right that wouldn't make it Absolute Truth.   Is there really 100 percent? Does that even exist? There are babies being born everyday without an opinion. 

 

[Lyubov]

Wonder what the Joe Rogan / Elon Musk right wing voter is thinking right now …. They were the loudest voices claiming Trump is the most anti war. 

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

Wonder what the Joe Rogan / Elon Musk right wing voter is thinking right now …. They were the loudest voices claiming Trump is the most anti war. 

You really want to know? They think that the tarrifs will make the economy great in the long run and that Israel has been wronged and the US is right for defending their ally.  But I think you knew their position.  Their position to stand behind Trump is unwavering.  Like a cult. You know this.  As for Musk himself - well - once things started hitting his pocket book he didn't like Trump so much.   That's kind of amusing.

Edited June 22 by Inliytened1

[Jodistrict]

8 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

You really want to know? They think that the tarrifs will make the economy great in the long run and that Israel has been wronged and the US is right for defending their ally.  But I think you knew their position.  Their position to stand behind Trump is unwavering.  Like a cult. You know this.  As for Musk himself - well - once things started hitting his pocket book he didn't like Trump so much.   That's kind of amusing.

Half of MAGA loves Israel.  Half of MAGA hates Israel.  

[Lyubov]

Wtf are you talking about? Joe Rogan isn’t like this. He’s probably the most anti war Trump supporter and a lot of people voted for Trump based on this. Not all Trump voters are maga. I wonder if these people can be brought back to the left. 

[Daniel Balan]

23 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

You could study it for 100 years and it would still be relative.  The Truth is relative to which perspective you are approaching things from.  This cannot be escaped no matter what.  Even if 99 percent of us said Israel was the good guy that would not make it Absolute Truth.  In fact even if 100 percent of us believed Israel was the good guy and Iran surrendered today and said Israel was right that wouldn't make it Absolute Truth.   Is there really 100 percent? Does that even exist? There are babies being born everyday without an opinion. 

 

Truth is not a social consensus! This is something that I learnt by watching 10 years of actualized.org 

[Jodistrict]

 

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

Wtf are you talking about? Joe Rogan isn’t like this. He’s probably the most anti war Trump supporter and a lot of people voted for Trump based on this. Not all Trump voters are maga. I wonder if these people can be brought back to the left. 

First of all why on earth do you care what Joe Rogan thinks?  And trust me I've talked to a lot of Trump supporters they have just as much ego as Trump.  Yeah you might get a few that will part.   But it's slim pickings.  And I know you are going to say that Rogan influences millions of people..but that's really sad.  Because he really shouldn't have that much power. He's just an average Joe with a podcast.  No pun intended.  He's an idiot..basically..and has admitted as much. 

Edited June 22 by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

Truth is not a social consensus! This is something that I learnt by watching 10 years of actualized.org 

Haha yeah exactly.  So get in the fight. 

[BlessedLion]

15 hours ago, Jayson G said:

I do believe Iran has a right to defend itself. It's unfair from my limited perspective of politics what is happening to them, but as a US citizen I hope we are safe. 

I feel the same. 
 

The sad, unbiased truth is Israel and America are being like the axis right now. They are being evil. Genocide, aggression, criminal, breaking intl law. 
 

So I can’t really defend us in this scenario. I’m even considering leaving the US. I’m frankly shocked we helped Israel and how asleep the whole world seems about it.

 

This isn’t about nukes it’s about power, regime change and ethnic cleansing. 

[Inliytened1]

Just now, BlessedLion said:

I feel the same. 
 

The sad, unbiased truth is Israel and America are being like the axis right now. They are being evil. Genocide, aggression, criminal, breaking intl law. 
 

So I can’t really defend us in this scenario. I’m even considering leaving the US. I’m frankly shocked we helped Israel and how asleep the whole world seems about it.

 

This isn’t about nukes it’s about power, regime change and ethnic cleansing. 

I appreciate your ability to be unbiased ..I always have.  And you have a great social presence and a great you tube channel.  But I do implore you to look beyond the crusification of Israel that has been going on in this forum for far too long now due to Gaza.  Did they go too far there? Yes. But this is a completely separate issue.   Iran's proxies is what led to the destruction in Gaza.  Iran seeks to destroy Israel and proxied the attack on Israel on Oct 7.  The US seeks to avoid a Hitler situation.  If the US sat around and waited for Iran to gain in strength do you not think they would wish to destroy us?  If you don't then think again.   

[Leo Gura]

As I told the pro-Palestine anti-Biden leftists, Trump will be way worse for their cause than Biden.

And so it is.

No authoritarian strongman is peaceful. That is one the biggest pieces of bullshit peddled by the right.

Edited June 22 by Leo Gura

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

As I told the pro-Palestine anti-Biden leftists, Trump will be way worse for their cause than Biden.

And so it is.

What would you have done here?

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

What would you have done here?

You're not gonna like my answer.

I would stop funding and arming Israel.

As far as Iran, Obama made a nuclear deal with them. That deal seemed reasonable and could probably be done again. Prior to this attack.

Edited June 22 by Leo Gura

[Inliytened1]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

You're not gonna like my answer.

I would stop funding and arming Israel.

Then what? Just wait or fund Iran?

[Jodistrict]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

As I told the pro-Palestine anti-Biden leftists, Trump will be way worse for their cause than Biden.

And so it is.

No authoritarian is peaceful.

Iran was following the agreement they made with Obama.  International agencies verified that.  Trump tore up the agreement.  He fooled alot of people (including me) by adopting the peace rhetoric.  Obviously Iran can't trust America now.  Negotiation isnt possible.

[Husseinisdoingfine]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I would stop funding and arming Israel.

This will never happen as our Government is too sold out to the Israeli lobby.

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You're not gonna like my answer.

I would stop funding and arming Israel.

As far as Iran, Obama made a nuclear deal with them. That deal seemed reasonable and could probably be done again. Prior to this attack.

Well..there's only so many times you can remain passive and then get out of it.  It's a good thing we had Roosevelt and Churchill in WW2.  There's no guarantees that the passive approach will work again.

[Apparition of Jack]

12 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

Iran was following the agreement they made with Obama.  International agencies verified that.  Trump tore up the agreement.  He fooled alot of people (including me) by adopting the peace rhetoric.  Obviously Iran can't trust America now.  Negotiation isnt possible.

No one can trust America now. Unfortunately you’ve become a rogue state.