Is the US now at war with Iran? (US vs. Iran Discussion)

[Breakingthewall]

We must admit that Bibi, that bastard, pulled off a masterful move. Israel was absolutely burned out inside and out after the horrific massacre in Gaza. Then, as a grand finale, they attack Iran, thereby achieving:

1. They unite the Israeli people against an enemy they fear. Citizens seriously fear the possibility of an atomic attack. Above 80% approves the attack 

2. Abroad, they clean up their image as genocidal and present themselves as a barrier against barbaric, destructive fanaticism (for those who want to believe it, which are many).

3. They display their military efficiency by cruising over Iran in their fighter jets, destroying key targets, but sending out a message: if we wanted to, we would completely devastate the country, bringing it to collapse in a week, without you shooting down a single fighter jet.

4 They show the world that the US is completely behind them. The US is Israel's little whore! Poor pacifist Trump. When Bibi says, "Jump," he asks, "Where?"

5. They delay or perhaps eliminate the (real) possibility of their arch-enemy getting hold of the bomb, which would completely change the rules of the game.

6 The rest of the Arab countries are toasting with the best champagne to the destruction of Iran's nuclear program.

7 Bibi, the corrupt son of a bitch, secures one, two, three? more terms. Who can live without Bibi, the warrior who does what needs to be done? Fucking Bibi, he's a true psychopath, but he's not stupid. Bibi is the king of the world

 

Edited Sunday at 11:53 AM by Breakingthewall

[Husseinisdoingfine]

Tulsi Gabbard herself said that there was no evidence that Iran was producing a nuclear weapon or enriching uranium.

 

[Husseinisdoingfine]

[Husseinisdoingfine]

[Schizophonia]

Israel and the United States are clearly aggressors

[BlueOak]

Yes. Not a ground invasion, but a war yes.

Sustained bombing campaigns by a nation are a declaration of war by that nation.

People will talk around this as if they are morally superior and 'not really at war'. Just like the Russians tried with Ukraine, just like America did in Iraq, just like the British Empire used to do, just like China did with Tibet, etc etc, but if you are a nation taking a military action against another nation you are at war.

[BlueOak]

10 hours ago, Jayson G said:

@Husseinisdoingfine me too man, but dont hate America .. most of us are good, some corrupt people take power and causes a lot of countries misery though so I get your pain

This is somewhat transferable, given they support the current government enough to legtimize the action. Though hate is not productive to hold on to, it won't do anything on its own, or produce a state of mind where you can alter much for the better, or even navigate it.

I am aware enough that I know the average American, Russian, Israeli, or Chinese man etc or woman is just trying to get by and meet their 6 human needs. Just like I am, just like you are. But they do legtimize their own governments one way or the other. With authoritarian governments (all of those I have listed) I understand the inherent risk in opposing them, and the level of suppression people face.  Still there is a significant enough portion of the population supporting the government for it to remain in power, else it would fall to anarchy.

So to say Americans, Russians, Chinese and Israeli are warlike, aggressive, dangerous people is not without merit.

 

[Daniel Balan]

Thats all I have to say on this matter:

[Inliytened1]

4 hours ago, James123 said:

Leaders (old guys) fights. Innocents dies. That's what the war is. And media is just a propaganda.

They are pawns in a game of Chess.

[Inliytened1]

58 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

Thats all I have to say on this matter:

Until it comes to your doorstep you will bury your head in the sand.  But when it comes to your doorstep and your sand is taken away - then you will regret not caring.

 

[Daniel Balan]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Until it comes to your doorstep you will bury your head in the sand.  But when it comes to your doorstep and your sand is taken away - then you will regret not caring.

 

I never laughed so hard! 😂😂 

If I bitch and moan about a situation, does it change? Did all this BS debating that has been happening on this topic really improved the situation in the real world one bit? Debating on a forum doesn't mean caring, if you really cared you would strive to become the next US president, not lecturing morality on a forum! 

[Twentyfirst]

 

[saif2]

The situation makes me so sad, it feels like the region which i currently live in, is sinking in a shit hole and that there is no way out.

politics is the dirtiest game I know. It is cave man behavior masquerading as civilized talk. USA bombing the nuclear facilities in Iran is a huge step towards world war.

[Inliytened1]

26 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

I never laughed so hard! 😂😂 

If I bitch and moan about a situation, does it change? Did all this BS debating that has been happening on this topic really improved the situation in the real world one bit? Debating on a forum doesn't mean caring, if you really cared you would strive to become the next US president, not lecturing morality on a forum! 

Whether you can make a difference or not should not impede you from paying attention or having an opinion.  If you don't care that's fine but don't cry when your air gets taken away.  In a democracy you do have a vote.   It makes little impact but it does matter. 

Edited Sunday at 02:21 PM by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

34 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

if you really cared you would strive to become the next US president, not lecturing morality on a forum! 

Not everyone can do that or have the means.  Maybe they don't have the finances or connections to get into politics..or they went into something else before and now can't switch.  Does that mean they shouldn't care about politics?

[saif2]

26 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

I never laughed so hard! 😂😂 

If I bitch and moan about a situation, does it change? Did all this BS debating that has been happening on this topic really improved the situation in the real world one bit? Debating on a forum doesn't mean caring, if you really cared you would strive to become the next US president, not lecturing morality on a forum! 

I do understand your perspective. However it is important to look at what is going on, to deepen your grasp of the world around you.

for instance I am thinking that what happened in Gaza directly relates to the war on iran. Somehow it enabled it. The conflict seems to only keep growing, so it might reach your way. The study of politics gives you predictive power. For instance looking into whats happening in Gaza informs you about what is possible in the potential field that is reality.

 

 

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, saif2 said:

I do understand your perspective. However it is important to look at what is going on, to deepen your grasp of the world around you.

for instance I am thinking that what happened in Gaza directly relates to the war on iran. Somehow it enabled it. The conflict seems to only keep growing, so it might reach your way. The study of politics gives you predictive power. For instance looking into whats happening in Gaza informs you about what is possible in the potential field that is reality.

 

 

It's interesting because of its complexity and cascade effect.   I mean you have to go back all the way to when Israel became a state for some.  They believe and have stated here that the state was founded on corrupt grounds and therefore should be null.   Is that true? Interesting.  Well ..the thing is one can go further back than that..what led to that? And what before then led to that? It can really make your brain hurt 😞  I can surely tell you that when it comes to survival things tend to get messy.  Is that a bug or a feature?  

[Daniel Balan]

24 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Whether you can make a difference or not should not impede you from paying attention or having an opinion.  If you don't care that's fine but don't cry when your air gets taken away.  In a democracy you do have a vote.   It makes little impact but it does matter. 

And I go out and vote everytime there is an election! As I said, having an opinion doesn't change anyhing. Ever worse, debating on a forum for sure doesn't change anything other than the time being wasted debating. On this very topic you guys just took sides and argued. 

[Inliytened1]

12 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

And I go out and vote everytime there is an election! As I said, having an opinion doesn't change anyhing. Ever worse, debating on a forum for sure doesn't change anything other than the time being wasted debating. On this very topic you guys just took sides and argued. 

And you're here watching

You're still "here" whether you are on the sidelines or not.  And I'm sure you have an opinion on the matter otherwise you would probably just be playing Elden Ring.  And if you are playing Elden Ring while posting then I stand corrected 😉

Edited Sunday at 02:59 PM by Inliytened1

[Scholar]

3 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Tulsi Gabbard herself said that there was no evidence that Iran was producing a nuclear weapon or enriching uranium.

 

We know Iran is enriching uranium via the IAEA. Tulsi Gabbard is a russian implant, I wouldn't really take her word on anything. Whether or not US agencies have evidence of nuclear weapon production (whatever that even means) also has little relevancy given Israel might have intel the US does not. 

Trump is Israel's puppet so he will listen to them.

 

Whether they are producing nuclear weapons is also fairly mute for several reasons. In terms of building a nuclear weapon, enrichment is the most difficult task. From a purely strategy perspective, you would want to stop an enemy during the enrichment phase as it might be more difficult preventing full construction once that is achieved.

But all of this is irrelevant, Israel is being rationally opportunistic, given the president that was elected (in part due to leftist brainrot who can look at world politics only through the lense of marxist oppressor-oppressee dynamics) will support them in this endeavor.

Israel has systematically removed the Iranian threat (most proxies as well as the Syrian government) over the past few years and it has every incentive to complete that task right now.