What Women Really Want:

[Sugarcoat]

When I lost my libido and most of my sense of self dating became a non issue because I no longer have any desire for it whatsoever, like how you gonna be in relationship if you barely feel you exist, LOL there’s almost no sense of interaction at that point #escape the matrix 

Edited June 17 by Sugarcoat

[Majed]

@Sugarcoat You should see a physician to determine what's your issue, it's not normal to lose you libido, and your sense of self lmao. Maybe you got some mental illness going.

[Leo Gura]

24 minutes ago, Majed said:

@Leo Gura Therefore my attitude is either to not want to engage with women anymore or being a sociopath and treating them as sex objects to be conquered to score a point and add more numbers to my lay count. If they do not care about me, which attitude should i take towards them other than the two i just iterated ?

Neither extreme is correct.

Again, you are taking it too personally.

[Sugarcoat]

4 minutes ago, Majed said:

@Sugarcoat You should see a physician to determine what's your issue, it's not normal to lose you libido, and your sense of self lmao. Maybe you got some mental illness going.

Hahahahahha yea I know it’s not normal. Nothing normal about me. I already see doctor and they give me meds but it doesn’t help AT ALL

[Zen LaCroix]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Discard any content that tries to instill ideology in you.

Can you get more specific on what you mean by ideology and some examples in this regard so we know what to look out for

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Zen LaCroix said:

Can you get more specific on what you mean by ideology and some examples in this regard so we know what to look out for

Watch video: How Ideology Works

[Emerald]

10 hours ago, something_else said:

He's the perfect example of a very intelligent person who has a deeply flawed world view. He can create extremely convincing, eloquent, and logical arguments which resonate with a lot of people... but they're all based on a deeply flawed view of the world.

Yes, that describes him well.

It's ether that his emotions and bitterness holds him back from applying his intelligence to more constructive things.

Or he's a really sincere-sounding grifter who knows how to construct narratives that are soothing to men with insecurities about dating and relationships.

[Rishabh R]

@Leo Gura What's the difference between content promoting ideology vs having high standards how to differentiate between the two? For example reading a book such as Models by Mark Manson which talks about only choosing women whom you are enthusiastic to be with and who is enthusiastic to be with you. Is the second one more mature advice compared to ideology of dating ?

[Leo Gura]

@Rishabh R Practical tips and principles are good. You can distinguish that from ideology.

Edited June 17 by Leo Gura

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, Emerald said:

Yes, that describes him well.

It's ether that his emotions and bitterness holds him back from applying his intelligence to more constructive things.

Or he's a really sincere-sounding grifter who knows how to construct narratives that are soothing to men with insecurities about dating and relationships.

I read so much sadness from him, it was difficult to listen to him. It was pouring out.

My intuition says he has been totally shit on by some terrible women. And his intellectualisation of the system and what how it works is an attempt to self soothe. Lots of pain in this man

I think the insidious part is, he really has a lot of good things to say, woven in with some corrupt views from his experience.

Very difficult to sort the wheat from the chaff. I would need to sit down and write up point by point where he is self deceptive, to break down his delusions.

[Hojo]

Hes right. Do you ever notice how its never the women with the skewed world view? The man is always fucked up if he dosent encorporate the identity of a woman that dosent even exist in physical reality. You can hurt a woman's feelings all you want. Women make it seem that not taking their feelings seriously is like assaulting them in some way. This makes men fairies and is mind control and now they are a bad guy, you have to admit you are a bad guy automatically when you admit that your original intentions were hurting something that's not even real. This is bullshit and ruins men. Men will say whatever they want amongst other men and need to sensor themselves around women or their character will be attacked. This will happen without logic as women wont use logic they will use made up metaphysical rules for their arguments. The man can either argue logically forever getting nowhere or submit in a society. This is why men are sad.

Edited June 18 by Hojo

[Twentyfirst]

 

[Puer Aeternus]

Sorry mate, but this just feels too black and white.

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

Hes right. Do you ever notice how its never the women with the skewed world view? The man is always fucked up if he dosent encorporate the identity of a woman that dosent even exist in physical reality.

But very frustrating to encounter and people out there definitely do that. They're not worth your time.

Much better to find a different fish in the sea!

 

[Lyubov]

The issue with this guy is he sacrificed his integrity by basing his belief system in unfairness and injustice. He built his audience by going on fresh and fit podcast which was all about just dunking on slutty girls living in Miami. That podcast basically was taking extremes from both sides. There are some valid points he makes and many of them you can discover yourself by learning to respect yourself and be authentic. His content is a step above fresh and fit and most red pill content but it’s tainted. He’s too afraid of being naive or a sucker so he doesn’t balance reasonability / pragmatism well with the wonder / magic  of a relationship. He’s too concerned about fairness and injustice. This subtly disconnects you from actually being authentic because your energy is going into trying to avoid being hurt vs building something intimate. 

[Emerald]

4 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I read so much sadness from him, it was difficult to listen to him. It was pouring out.

My intuition says he has been totally shit on by some terrible women. And his intellectualisation of the system and what how it works is an attempt to self soothe. Lots of pain in this man

I think the insidious part is, he really has a lot of good things to say, woven in with some corrupt views from his experience.

Very difficult to sort the wheat from the chaff. I would need to sit down and write up point by point where he is self deceptive, to break down his delusions.

It is quite possible that that's true.

Though I've only seen a few videos... so I'm not sure if he's a genuine bitter misogyny or if he's just grifting as a bitter misogynist because that career path is lucrative.

But if he's the former, he probably has a whole myriad of traumas, unmet needs, and blindspots that have made him become bitter and mean-spirited towards women. And it could be the case that some of those are romantic... but others might be relating to other areas of life.

Like when I was 10 years old (during my last year of elementary school and the following summer) I had a yearlong phase where I was extremely overtly misogynistic... believing (on some level) that I was the only nice girl/woman. And I believed that all girls/women were mean and cruel.

And all of my friends were boys. I refused to be friends with girls.

Then, sometimes I'd be hit with this cognitive dissonance because I also recognized that there were plenty nice girls/women that I encountered in school. But I had to pretend they didn't exist whilst also knowing they did.

But I just had such hate for other girls (and women). And I even created an entirely different gender distinction for myself to feel exempt from the biting judgment of my own misogyny... as I conceptualized myself as neither male nor female.

And a lot of the perspectives that I held at the time were like a non-sexually charged version of what Incels/Red Pill guys say about women. Like, I can see my own internalized misogyny in them... which is a force of nature, on its own. 

Anti-Feminine sentiment can be hard to shake in a society that abhors the Feminine principle... especially if someone has issues with their mom or with making friends with girls/women.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Emerald

Eerily similar progression to me.

It didn't help I have 4 brothers (1 sister).

I learned to handle boys, but not the underhanded politics girls employ. Boys were great - say it to my face. Girls - I had to learn to interpret everything but the actual words. Maddening.

I was a pilled little girl lol....

Back to the topic though - What women want?

Safety, love. Done!

[Leo Gura]

I don't know what they want. But I can tell you what they don't want: truth 

[AION]

6 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I read so much sadness from him, it was difficult to listen to him. It was pouring out.

My intuition says he has been totally shit on by some terrible women. And his intellectualisation of the system and what how it works is an attempt to self soothe. Lots of pain in this man

I think the insidious part is, he really has a lot of good things to say, woven in with some corrupt views from his experience.

Very difficult to sort the wheat from the chaff. I would need to sit down and write up point by point where he is self deceptive, to break down his delusions.

Nah. I think you are projecting here. This guy knows his shit. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

28 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't know what they want. But I can tell you what they don't want: truth 

I mean - truth, lol

But really drilling down I think women don't want the truth when its delivered like a sledgehammer, weaponised to assert dominance, lacking empathy/timing/tact, threatening a core identity, relationship or emotional safety.... Plus they tend toward valuing harmony over conflict, connection over cold facts & tune deeply into tone and subtext.

I'm exhausted just writing that - so I can't imagine even thinking about wrapping the Truth up in a nice little package, with a fucking bow on top, PrImeD foR DEliVeRy. Tailored to each individuals needs. 

Exhausting.

Sort of applies to men AND women (subject dependant) - but women require this little gift of truth presented in an appetising manner much more than men.

Edited June 18 by Natasha Tori Maru

[Leo Gura]

Give me the truth -- as long as it feels good and comfortable and doesn't threaten me 

Edited June 18 by Leo Gura