Leo, What Are Your Thoughts On The Split Of The Military parade And Protest?

[ExploringReality]

What are you guys thoughts?

[Apparition of Jack]

Those soldiers looked so bored lol

[zazen]

Vs the guy she told you not to worry about

They didn’t perform with the polish and energy required of a superpower. Even Chinas female military parade projects more stregnth:

 

[PurpleTree]

Here‘s footage from the parade

 

[DocWatts]

Meanwhile, 11 million people - or over %3 of the entire population of the United States - was out in the streets protesting this disgraceful regime.

[Keryo Koffa]

What's military pride when all it stand for anymore are corporate genocides?

[Hojo]

It made American military look like crap. Lounging soldiers, shitty looking vehicles and non stop talking about terrorism.

Edited Sunday at 05:16 PM by Hojo

[Joshe]

In hindsight, I think the protests were not good. The goal was to galvanize resistance, but it should have been about cross-partisan persuasion (harder sell, I know). The protests served to re-entrench MAGA even deeper. Not sure what the best move would have been but something that was less polarizing, if that was even possible. 

 

[DocWatts]

1 hour ago, Joshe said:

LThe protests served to re-entrench MAGA even deeper. Not sure what the best move would have been but something that was less polarizing, if that was even possible. 

The point of the protests wasn't to change the hearts and minds of MAGA - most of them are beyond saving. It was to make the pro-democracy movement visible, as part of a sustained public pressure campaign on politicians and institutions that are obeying Trump's criminal regime in advance. Beyond this, the target is ordinary people who have tuned out of politics since the election, and folks who are disturbed by what's going on but don't know what to do about it.

Trump wants nothing more than to project an image of strong man. He wants us to think that his reign is inevitable. In actuality, his regime is weak and historically unpopular. No Kings Day was a humiliating optics defeat for a fragile narcissist. While Trump was being the world's saddest birthday boy with his farcical military parade, 12 million people - or 3.5% of the entire population of the United States - was out in the streets saying NO to his authoritarian regime.

Time and time again, this regime has shown us that it can't be compromised with. Trump is above all an abusive narcissist and a bully - attempts to appease the wanna-be dictator is only received as an invitation to take more.

All of the 'reasonable' MAGAs left after his violent coup attempt - those still with him after close to a decade of escalating authoritarianism are the American version of the Nazis. They need to be boldly and loudly rejected, not compromised with. A large part of how we got to where we are was by normalizing creeping Trump's authoritarianism, criminality, and political violence.

Edited Sunday at 09:39 PM by DocWatts

[Joshe]

@DocWatts I understand all that and agree in principle, but I’m not sure if the polarizing effect will backfire. For many who have tuned out of politics, they do so to avoid having to be at odds with their MAGA family, neighbors, coworkers, etc. As we saw last election, majority of apolitical people sided with MAGA. Seems polarization would do more harm than good in winning them over, especially if they voted for Trump in 2024. If the numbers are there, then it’s fine, but if they aren’t, it’s risky IMO.

I just wonder if another angle could have been more effective. Maybe something about protecting the constitution.

When tuned out people hear “no kings”, then look into what it’s all about, most of them walk away thinking its the hyperbolic, catastrophizing left making a big deal about nothing. At least that’s what it seems like gauging responses on social media. It is being dismissed out of hand due to the name. I think we have to stop attacking Trump directly and start attacking ideas. Seems more effective, but maybe harder to build movements that way. 

[Basman]

25 minutes ago, Joshe said:

I just wonder if another angle could have been more effective. Maybe something about protecting the constitution.

When tuned out people hear “no kings”, then look into what it’s all about, most of them walk away thinking its the hyperbolic, catastrophizing left making a big deal about nothing. At least that’s what it seems like gauging responses on social media. It is being dismissed out of hand due to the name. I think we have to stop attacking Trump directly and start attacking ideas. Seems more effective, but maybe harder to build movements that way. 

I kind of agree with this. The factors that enable an authoritarian like Trump isn't unique to him. When Trumpism fails some other authoritarian will probably show up. We also see authoritarianism in the rise in Europe as well. It's a societal sliding scale so focusing on Trump specifically isn't as productive as focusing on the big picture of democracy and upholding checks and balances.

I don't believe there's any difference in actuality but it comes of as just a deranged woke knee-jerk reaction to Trump. Fatherless college kids yelling at clouds. Laymen haven't been properly introduced to the big picture as an idea. It's just about presentation. 

[Jannes]

11 hours ago, zazen said:

Vs the guy she told you not to worry about

 

The chinese look like clowns to me. They represent layalty yes but also lack of individuality and the ability to think for yourself. 

Has its pros and cons probably, pro is they would likely have a stronger backbone, con is they would likely have less strategy. But I am no expert in the military. 

[Basman]

 

[Hojo]

I just noticed this parade felt exactly like one of trumps presidential campaigns.

[BlueOak]

I think you all did damn well. Not only did you crush the dictators tin soldiers on parade, but you galvanised support against the fascist regime. 

Sure the right will dismiss it because they are getting exactly what they want, ridding America of brown and black people. 

No Kings wasn't hyperbolic but it was a bit fantastical, even if it did sound catchy, I would have called it no dictators myself. No racists if you want one step closer to the truth and out with white supremacy. Protests won't directly change policy, but they will ensure that every democrat who wants to be elected is against ICE and the actions here.

Edited Monday at 05:55 AM by BlueOak

[BlueOak]

6 hours ago, Hojo said:

I just noticed this parade felt exactly like one of trumps presidential campaigns.

Well the left has needed to learn from the right for about a decade or so, that in this moment, populism wins elections. Not alone but backed by corporations, donors, community groups, institutions, media etc.

Edited Monday at 08:03 AM by BlueOak

[DocWatts]

Seems that the wanna-be dictator is having a narcissistic crash-out over the No Kings protests.

Not only did the protests ruin his North-Korean style military parade, he was waiting with baited breath for mass violence in the streets, which the No Kings protests didn't deliver. Mango Mussolini is trying to incite a civil war, but we didn't take the bait.

12 million people came out in defense of the Constitution and the Rule of Law, in peaceful defiance of Trump's fascist regime.

And this historic turnout was in spite of violent intimidation by Trump and his MAGA brownshirts. The only violence to speak of was from far-right domestic terrorists.

Edited Monday at 02:56 PM by DocWatts

[Hardkill]

Well, I am glad that Trump's parade turned out to be more pathetic and less scary than I thought it would be. 

I also applaud all of the people out there who were at the No Kings Protests throughout the country. I wish I could've attended one of them. This gave me some hope.