Israel launches attack on Iran

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, hundreth said:

 

4 hours ago, hundreth said:

personally think Israel is going for full on regime change and that is what they hope the U.S. involvement will lead to. You can't really stop the Ayatolla from going after nukes but possibly installing a new regime could.

Maybe Israel is trying to find a common enemy to unite Israel and recover global public opinion because it is in the blink of collapse due gaza. 

[Breakingthewall]

Israel is a corpse, only it still moves, but it's rotten inside. Gaza is going to kill Israel; it's a festering infection that has yet to manifest its infectious power. Israel is not legitimate, and without legitimacy, it's gone. Iran is an attempt to regain legitimacy. I bet that Hamas win the battle of Gaza.

[PurpleTree]

Why doesn’t Iran have bomb shelters or sirens?

They often talked about war.

But Tehran metro area is around a 15 million people city, impossible to evacuate.

Edited Monday at 11:36 PM by PurpleTree

[PurpleTree]

More MAGAs against the conflict and supporting bibibi

 

[Husseinisdoingfine]

View from inside civilian bomb shelter in Israel:

[Apparition of Jack]

Fuck Israel, fuck Zionism, fuck MAGA, fuck white supremacy, fuck neoconservativism, fuck the Military-Industrial Complex, fuck warmongerers, fuck Evangelical apocalypticists, fuck anyone who brings misery, death and chaos onto this good earth for the sake of ego and greed.

Edited Tuesday at 12:34 AM by Apparition of Jack

[Twentyfirst]

7 hours ago, hundreth said:

Because Israel doesn't let them.

It's just odd to see these celebratory posts of civilian death and infrastructure here. It exists in Israeli society, but no Israelis or pro Israelis are here celebrating the destruction of Gazan civilians or Iranian civilians / infrastructure. Military targets, sure.

What is Iran supposed to do when Israel uses Tel Aviv citizens as human shields and builds weapons under civilian infrastructure? 

There is literally no other choice but to kill civilians. No other options. No other possible actions to take. Any other options simply don't exist. This is the only way and it's all Israels fault for using their own people as human shields 

(Joking)

[integration journey]

As a Syrian, both Iran and Isreal can go fuck themselves haha. 

[Atb210201]

Does any of you guys living in America know anything about Q?

[Breakingthewall]

This is not a war or national security, is a war about polítical survival. Netanyahu He has no scruples; he does what is necessary for survival. I doubt it will work, although the move is clever. Who wouldn't side with the religious fanatics who want an atomic bomb to threaten the world? Israel is heroic! The spearhead of civilization! Meanwhile, let's steal lands.

[Breakingthewall]

Another possibility is that a year ago, as you may know, the Iran-China train was inaugurated, which shortens the transit between the Middle East and China from 40 to 15 days and avoids the US-controlled Strait of Malacca. The US dislikes this as much as the Nord Stream. So, what would be the solution to such an annoying problem?

[Nivsch]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

This is not a war or national security, is a war about polítical survival. Netanyahu He has no scruples; he does what is necessary for survival. I doubt it will work, although the move is clever. Who wouldn't side with the religious fanatics who want an atomic bomb to threaten the world? Israel is heroic! The spearhead of civilization! Meanwhile, let's steal lands.

I disagree about Lebanon and Iran.

Hezbollah has evolved into a semi-military force which could cause a davastating damage - thousands of rockets with 10-20 falls in Israeli cities every day - If Israel would try to attack Iran nuclear facilities.

But Hezbollah has been significantly degraded 9 months ago so that Israel can attack in Iran freely.

If the nuclear program of Iran's regime turns out to be destroyed, than this whole process was quite smart and justified in my opinion.

This is true that the timing still might be affected by political considerations, but sooner or later it most likely had to be done anyway.

Edited Tuesday at 09:20 AM by Nivsch

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

I disagree about Lebanon and Iran.

Hezbollah was like an army (not just a terror organization) which could cause huge damage (thousands of rockets with 10-20 falls in Israeli cities every day!) If Israel would try to attack Iran nuclear facilities.

But Hezbollah has been neutralized 9 months ago so that Israel can attack in Iran freely.

If the nuclear program of Iran's regime will turned out to be destroyed, than this whole process was quite smart and justified in my opinion.

That's another option. Perhaps this was planned long ago, and the real motivation is national security, since it's a big problem for Israel that its sworn enemies have the nuclear bomb. But the question is: Can Israel really damage and disrupt Iran's ability to develop atomic weapons? We'll see. Supposedly, there are armored bunkers under mountains that can't be destroyed from the air.

[zazen]

@Nivsch Hope you and everyone there are safe and this ends soon.

Hezbollah has been exhausted for sure. I think Assad falling has helped Israel greatly as now Syrian airspace is clear for Israel to fly through and attack Iran. Also, supply lines to Hezbollah are disrupted which means they are hesitant to start something with Israel if they can't secure what they need for a prolonged conflcit.

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

But the question is: Can Israel really damage and disrupt Iran's ability to develop atomic weapons? We'll see. Supposedly, there are armored bunkers under mountains that can't be destroyed from the air.

The issue with nuclear is that you can't bomb knowledge away. Even if Israel/US delay Iran being able to get nukes - the point is they have the technical knowhow and can eventually get them if they wanted to. It's like a dog eating your math homework - you lose the homework but you still know math.

The US getting involved and bombing the Fordow facility under the mountain risks too much blow back. Strait of Hormuz could get shut, oil prices skyrocket affecting the world, US bases get hit by hypersonics, domestic US anger and international condemnation and fracturing of ties.

The only way was and is diplomacy, which the 2015 signed JCPOA signed achieved, which Trump ripped up in 2018, which prompted Iran to enrich to a threshold point - which the US/Israel now bitch about and use a pre-text to go to war over.

They were literally in negotiations - then Israel struck Iran and killed the key guy in the negotiation team - Ali Shamkhani. They can't just expect a deal in 60 days, this isn't wedding planning or a group chat trying to coordinate a holiday. The JCPOA took over 2 years, and this is writing the future of a entire regions with multiples states involved.

It's not even a negotiation window, just a ultimatum. Sell me your house for pennies or I'll bomb it anyway is mob rule and imperial flexing not state to state diplomacy of mature actors. How does the world view the US now as a partner worth making deals with? All this being lost for what..Israel? Or they have their own interests and just use Israel as the scapegoat and moral cover..

If Israel wasn't hated enough already, imagine once the US gets dragged into this and we start getting US bodies in bags being flown home. Also, the hypocrisy is clear for the world to see - as if it wasn't already. Israel secretly has nukes and isn't signed to the non proliferation treaty (NPT) which means the IAEA can't inspect them. But Iran is and does have inspections. Yet - the strategic ambiguity of Israel is allowed but Iran being way less ambiguous isn't.

Edited Tuesday at 10:56 AM by zazen

[PurpleTree]

^ these Indian news channels are so stupid. It’s like news made for children. Or if children made news. Or if jerry bruckheimer made a news channel. Utter annoyance.

 

Annyway if Trump said evacuate Tehran it’s basically not possible. There are more people in and around Tehran then in all of Israel around 15 million people.

[PurpleTree]

 

[PurpleTree]

 

[PurpleTree]

That looks wild

 

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, zazen said:

Strait of Hormuz could get shut, oil prices skyrocket affecting the world, US bases get hit by hypersonics, domestic US anger and international condemnation and fracturing of ties.

Doing this would work against Iran; it would be suicidal, as it would legitimize the US's full-throttle attack. What would Iran achieve with this? Most likely, there will be a de-escalation soon, and the Iranian regime will be weakened but not destroyed. Any other option would be catastrophic, although anything is possible, of course.

2 hours ago, zazen said:

It's not even a negotiation window, just a ultimatum. Sell me your house for pennies or I'll bomb it anyway is mob rule and imperial flexing not state to state diplomacy of mature actors. How does the world view the US now as a partner worth making deals with? All this being lost for what..Israel? Or they have their own interests and just use Israel as the scapegoat and moral cover..

The whole world now sees the true face of the US, which makes it possible for the US to be even more abusive because it doesn't need to clean up its image. 

We all await the end of the imperialist dynamic. This is probably its final gasp. China is too smart to jump into the fray like a retarded bull. It will bide its time patiently as sun tzu would say and prevail without violence except if it's attacked, what is almost impossible 

[LordFall]

I haven’t followed this thread but to steel-man Israel you don’t think that stopping an Islamic state from enriching Uranium is a valid pretence for attacking them? 

I know Islam is demonized by the mainstream but is martyrdom part of the faith and dying to destroy your enemies seen as honourable? 

I was very nervous from the Pakistan and Indian conflict escalating, glad they settled down.