The Devilry of RSD & Its Owners - Todd VS RSD (7 Years Strong) - Full Story Via Todd

[Miguel1]

31 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

My read on this is that Owen has just seen too many gym bros and physique chasers get destroyed in field and turn up empty-handed.

This gives him fuel to "prove" the irrelevance of appearance next to frame.

Hmm, I doubt this. You can still have a healthy physical body, even if you don’t bag on much muscles. Kind of like Leo, altho if he still looks like that one pic some years ago on IG, he should def do some cardio for health reasons 👿

Not to be assumptive Leo, but do you exercise? Like Cardio? If not, why not?

We don’t want to lose our crocodile king to early death, do we

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As far as Owen, I think he’s like has just been too stressful building his biz and getting it shattered constantly, over and over again, and via junk food, he has gotten some escape.

That and the fact that he socializes a lot. You don’t socialize for a living & throw parties endlessly, and eat healthy clean salad and home-cooked chicken as your regular food.

I doubt he would risk his health like that just to prove something that he isn’t necessarily even proving. He is a health freak. Just look at his ginseng collection. And no one is telling him to become a gym rat.

One of his biggest teaching points after letting go of social conditionings (unfortunately to the unhealthy levels, like covid ideas), is things like letting go of junk food and being healthy, cuz it poisons you and supresses your consciousness, intelligence and derps you etc. which is his whole new self-help shtick in recent years. At least on the front end. The back end seems to always be dating, no matter how he tries to hide it.

Edited June 11 by Miguel1

[AION]

Owen is still spot on with the current state of dating and the shift of the collective frame of women and what they expect from men. Women expected a provider protector back in the day and now they just expect a guy with charisma/swagger who is fun. His videos are still good but it is soaked with culture war. I don’t want his videos anymore. I let AI make summaries. 

[AION]

@Miguel1 sleeping is key for recovery and longevity. It is as important as nutrition and work out. Personally I believe too much psychedelics create too much oxidative stress and causes people to age faster vis-à-vis people who sleep not enough. 

[RendHeaven]

1 minute ago, Miguel1 said:

Hmm, I doubt this. You can still have a healthy physical body, even if you don’t bag on much muscles.

You should listen to the smug undertones in his most recent video as he talks about how caring about your physique is pretty much a pitiful beta male cope.

He literally gets off on monopolizing respect, love, and sex while having a shitty body

Some timestamps:

would not be surprised at all if he has a daddy kink in bed and deliberately plays up his dad bod

[Miguel1]

4 minutes ago, AION said:

now they just expect a guy with charisma/swagger who is fun.

I would say that that is too black and white.

But who am I to say, as someone with natural charisma and looks?

Also, living in a green country probably affects things differently than a purely materialistic orange country.

[Miguel1]

4 minutes ago, AION said:

@Miguel1 sleeping is key for recovery and longevity. It is as important as nutrition and work out.

Did I say anything against sleep?

[Miguel1]

2 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

You should listen to the smug undertones in his most recent video as he talks about how caring about your physique is pretty much a pitiful beta male cope.

Brother, listen more carefully. He encourages taking care of your body and hitting the gym for YOU.

Which is aligned with what I said about his main teaching points.

[RendHeaven]

1 minute ago, Miguel1 said:

Brother, listen more carefully. He encourages taking care of your body and hitting the gym for YOU.

Obviously he says that verbally, because it's the right thing to say and he knows his audience. But what he says to his crowd is NOT how he thinks in his own head. Read the undertones and the implied energetic needs. He always finds a way to dismiss the gym. There is genuine pride there in the fact that he gets so much results despite being a visual contrarian. Like a gamer beating the meta by inventing an anti-meta.

[AION]

12 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

Did I say anything against sleep?

Uh I didn’t say you were against sleeping. It was just my addition to your already great post. 😮‍💨 

15 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

I would say that that is too black and white.

But who am I to say, as someone with natural charisma and looks?

 

[How to be wise]

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That's the problem with any pickup guys. None of them can ever be trusted to tell the truth about anything. And once they start fighting with each other, you have no idea who to trust.

That's what happens when your whole life philosophy is to manipulate humans for value-extraction.

Karma 101. No honor among thieves.

This indeed could be karma for a man who made a video like this:

 

[Raze]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That's a fair counter-argument, if true.

Hard to tell what the truth is.

But if Todd was embezzeling, why not just fire him or sue him? That's like an arrestable crime.

Todd is smart enough to cover his tracks

[Miguel1]

6 hours ago, AION said:

Uh I didn’t say you were against sleeping. It was just my addition to your already great post. 😮‍💨 

Much love!

[Recursoinominado]

6 hours ago, Raze said:

Todd is smart enough to cover his tracks

Todd is smart, but even smart people get caught for the stupidest things.

Anyway, this whole discussion is pure gossip and speculation. 

[AION]

Todd is so uncanny. There is always something off about him. Probably it is his autism that gives this uncanny vibe. From what I got from Owen is that it is not Owen who has a problem with Todd but that Chinese partner of Owen who coincidentally also has autism. It is just two autists going at it battle royale style. 

Edited June 11 by AION

[Twentyfirst]

I wouldn't blame either of them for anything really. Everyone gets messy in their growing phases. But at some point you gotta grow out of it. Better to focus on family, new money, higher projects, mentoring the younger generations, etc Get out of Hollywood, stay away from duck lipped club sluts, stop peacocking with watches. Pickup and money are just a stepping stone there is so much more to life. Honestly they should all do a fat dose of acid 

[Lyubov]

13 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

You should listen to the smug undertones in his most recent video as he talks about how caring about your physique is pretty much a pitiful beta male cope.

He literally gets off on monopolizing respect, love, and sex while having a shitty body

Some timestamps:

would not be surprised at all if he has a daddy kink in bed and deliberately plays up his dad bod

He just has shitty physique and is too lazy or doesn’t have energy to change it, so this is how he copes. I’ve felt this way before too where I didn’t want to bust my ass in the gym because the pay off isn’t always great for dating. It’s true, don’t expect tons of gym training to suddenly make you top tier in meeting women. He knows to play up his business, money, lifestyle and tenacity because it goes farther for him and for most men who aren’t athletic. If you have good genetics and physique it definitely is a foundation most people don’t realize helps them a lot. You can sidestep this somewhat though if you are picking up girls in nightlife and have cash to make yourself stand out, or are relatively cultured and socialized. I do think he is right, training isn’t a cure all for a bad dating life. It should be done for the foundation of an overall good life, absolutely. I think there is a a high tier barrier though to really drawing in large volumes of the best pussy which is being in exceptional shape. A lot of the most beautiful women have really gotten on the wellness trends and want to meet a guy from their run club or whatever. If you want to date an instagram only fans model being in great shape helps a lot on top of being rich. I think a lot of really beautiful women also gravitate to beaches which being in good shape helps a ton if you are in a place like Miami. So I think it’s holistic, getting ripped is somewhat important if you want to live in a cool warm beach place or you gotta be loaded

Edited June 11 by Lyubov

[Lyubov]

This issue I see here is that Owen claims that social skill and tenacity and charisma will beat money and physique every time, but the funny thing is on the other side I see coaches saying that money and physique will beat social skill, and tenacity every time in the long run. In fact a lot of those other social coaches will talk about how you don’t even have to go out, just build money and your physique and women will come to you… So you gotta realize that both of these groups want to sell you a course and at the end of the day, they’re gonna believe to a fault that their own system and world view because doubting it means they don’t have a product. They are just selling you beliefs. In reality you have to find what works for you and is authentic for you, inner wisdom. My belief is that the kingdom within is the guidance you need to authentically live and fulfill your desires in a way aligned with the universe. Where you are at peace, always, even during storms. If you are exceptionally in shape and you have a world class body, then play that up if it works for you and is in your flow. Do the same if it is money and you know how to leverage that, same with charisma. Go out a lot and talk to people and talk to women. It’s about finding what’s authentic for you and works best for you. I found my girlfriend by working on my social skills a bit but mostly by clearing beliefs that kept me feeling chronically nervous and afraid of being left. So just by clearing your mental health you can attract beautiful women. 

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Lyubov said:

Owen claims that social skill and tenacity and charisma will beat money and physique every time

This is a strawman of what he's teaching.

It's not about "beating every time". The point is simply that social skills get you laid more than if you didn't have them.

[LordFall]

Transparency is a good virtue so glad the truth is coming out. Ironically it goes full circle for me; I found actualized.org through the rant against the pickup community video. 

Also I met Mystery a few times and he was still hurt that originally Owen stole his business model and whole email list. Definitely spot on with the ego comment, he presents himself as someone he's not. I still remember the video where he said he'd rather die than miss a day at the gym. I get that its a mindset more than a reality but it'd be me like pretending to be this shrewd entrepreneur when I'm broke. 

Edited June 12 by LordFall

[Ulax]

On 11/06/2025 at 7:53 AM, RendHeaven said:

You should listen to the smug undertones in his most recent video as he talks about how caring about your physique is pretty much a pitiful beta male cope.

He literally gets off on monopolizing respect, love, and sex while having a shitty body

Some timestamps:

would not be surprised at all if he has a daddy kink in bed and deliberately plays up his dad bod

Re the first two video time stamps you linked I watched that full video.

I think the thing to keep in mind with Owen is he is talking about how to massive casual dating success with women. Like going from a guy who struggles to get a date let alone get laid, to a guy who has a roster full of girls who are very sought after and model quality. And his argument is that you can get girls by having amazing amounts of money or having an amazing physique. But loads of guys are doing that so it is very competitive and also physical physique wise your gonna probably have to steroid up and rely on genetics too. 

Howeverer, Owen argues, to my understanding, most guys aren’t willing to go the hardcore cold approach route to get those amazing causal dating results with women. And development of very high sexual charisma is also a path to getting these high level dating results. Therefore developing very high level sexual charisma via hardcore cold approach is the best option according to Owen. Because with cold approach you get way more bang for your buck lol.

But yeah I can also understand why you might see Owen as sort of being pitying towards guys who try that gym route. But then again if Owen is right about Cold approach being way more effective, then it makes sense to me why he’d pity someone who tried the gym route. Cos they would be putting in so much time and energy for such relatively mediocre returns. 

Edited June 12 by Ulax