Why Women Prefer Betas

[Miguel1]

You guys need to re-watch Leo’s Understanding Survival series.

Virtually no one on planet Earth has transcended survival into consciousness love. Very very few has.

It’s extremely impractical to think in terms of that. Stage turquoise or higher level love is a fantasy at this point.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I disagree, this can be touched on this material plain.

Even if this cannot be a permanently embodied state.

It's like saying, forget trying to awaken because it cannot be permanent.

You learn from peaking into awakening and God consciousness - why can't you learn this also in tandem with another?

Learn within relationship. Within the power of creation. Children. Union.

 

[AION]

2 hours ago, Emerald said:

Yeah, that's exactly what I mean by niche marketing.

And I feel like most of the men on this forum would be doing so much better across the board (dating-wise and personal development wise) if they really leaned into the niche angle.

It seems like most of the guys on this forum hit a bottle neck with their personal development path because they keep trying to be coca-cola and appeal to the lowest common denominator of attractiveness to women.

But you can't develop yourself and still be Coca-Cola.

It's really scarcity thinking though. It's like, "I need the most mass appeal to attract women."

But just like if you're in business, unless you're LITERALLY Coca Cola or Walmart, you're going to have to niche yourself down. And that will attract far more customers than if you tried to be really general with what you provide.

Specificity sells. And that dating market is no different.

So, the paradox is that if you try to market yourself to a general audience of women, you will get fewer women who are interested in you compared to if you narrow the scope of the audience you're trying to appeal to.

It's also what's really nifty about having hobbies to engage in and subcultures to belong to.

I guess I’m red bull 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Think about it.

I admire Leo, as we all do, for the pioneering into the unknown and what he has revealed in terms of the realms of consciousness.

He plumbed the unknown and dared to dream there was something to learn there. He was open. He explored. There was no path, he trailblazed the way himself.

So why wouldn't others dare to enter into touching consciousness through relationship? Dare to believe there is something to be learned there and a drive that transcends survival?

Leo dared.

Radical open-mindedness is the aim of the game!

[Emerald]

10 minutes ago, AION said:

I guess I’m red bull 

How do you mean?

What does Red Bull represent in this context?

[AION]

12 minutes ago, Emerald said:

How do you mean?

What does Red Bull represent in this context?

I don’t know but I guess because it is high energy, masculine referring to the bull, it is not as wholesome as for example an orange juice, it come as a strong taste compared to Coca-Cola and it is best mixed with something else to balance out the taste. I went out yesterday and when people meet me they all get excited and after couple of sips they get use to it. First couple of sips of Red Bull are the best. 

Edited June 12 by AION

[Joshe]

Neurosis and Human Growth - The Struggle Towards Self-Realization

Just stumbled across this gem of a book. It delves into the origins of men's attitudes toward women. It also explains power and prestige very well.  It isn't about either of these things but many of the maladaptive "neurotic solutions" spring from the same well. This book just moved into my top 10. 

Basically, it's all tracks back to bad parenting. 😂

🧩 The Neurotic Path of Development 

Emotional insecurity in childhood
➝ The child feels unloved, unseen, or unaccepted as they are.

Basic anxiety emerges
➝ A deep, ongoing sense of isolation and helplessness in a world perceived as hostile.

Self-idealization forms
➝ The child constructs a fantasy self: powerful, admirable, perfect — everything they feel they must be to earn love or safety.

Pride system takes hold
➝ They begin identifying with this ideal self-image, gaining a sense of significance from imagined attributes.

Rigid standards develop
➝ The person now must live up to this ideal. Any failure feels like proof of worthlessness.

Discrepancy grows
➝ Reality doesn’t reflect the ideal — especially in relationships, status, or admiration.

Shame, rage, or withdrawal follow
➝ The person may lash out, blame others, or retreat into bitterness and alienation.

Compulsive worldview sets in
➝ The fantasy becomes a fixed belief system. The original idealized self — someone attractive, desirable, worthy of love — fails to materialize in real life. Instead of reassessing the ideal, the neurotic mind doubles down and creates a worldview to explain and justify the gap.

Incel psychology in a nutshell. Basically same principle for people like Musk who is predominantly power-driven and Trump who is predominantly prestige-driven. Seeking power and prestige are neurotic solutions to the “basic anxiety” formed in childhood.

Edited June 12 by Joshe

[Emerald]

7 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Neurosis and Human Growth - The Struggle Towards Self-Realization

Just stumbled across this gem of a book. It delves into the origins of men's attitudes towards women. It also explains power and prestige very well.  It isn't about either of these things but many the maladaptive "neurotic solutions" spring from the same well. This book just moved into my top 10. 

Basically, it's all tracks back to bad parenting. 😂

🧩 The Neurotic Path of Development 

Emotional insecurity in childhood
➝ The child feels unloved, unseen, or unaccepted as they are.

Basic anxiety emerges
➝ A deep, ongoing sense of isolation and helplessness in a world perceived as hostile.

Self-idealization forms
➝ The child constructs a fantasy self: powerful, admirable, perfect — everything they feel they must be to earn love or safety.

Pride system takes hold
➝ They begin identifying with this ideal self-image, gaining a sense of significance from imagined attributes.

Rigid standards develop
➝ The person now must live up to this ideal. Any failure feels like proof of worthlessness.

Discrepancy grows
➝ Reality doesn’t reflect the ideal — especially in relationships, status, or admiration.

Shame, rage, or withdrawal follow
➝ The person may lash out, blame others, or retreat into bitterness and alienation.

Compulsive worldview sets in
➝ The fantasy becomes a fixed belief system. The original idealized self — someone attractive, desirable, worthy of love — fails to materialize in real life. Instead of reassessing the ideal, the neurotic mind doubles down and creates a worldview to explain and justify the gap.

Incel psychology in a nutshell. Basically same principle for people like Musk who is predominantly power-driven and Trump who is predominantly prestige-driven. 

That's a perfect explanation of where these kinds of rigid male/female relationship paradigms and victim narratives come from.

And they're very protective because it allows them to feel a false sense of empowerment... but also keep these guys in the same disconnected state.

And it creates this bitterness towards women that pushes them away. So, it self-perpetuates as a cycle.

[Joshe]

10 minutes ago, Emerald said:

That's a perfect explanation of where these kinds of rigid male/female relationship paradigms and victim narratives come from.

And they're very protective because it allows them to feel a false sense of empowerment... but also keep these guys in the same disconnected state.

And it creates this bitterness towards women that pushes them away. So, it self-perpetuates as a cycle.

Yep. The neurosis is so deep though. Talk about a survival strategy 😆

[meta_male]

5 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

So why wouldn't others dare to enter into touching consciousness through relationship? Dare to believe there is something to be learned there and a drive that transcends survival?

They do. You just don't hear about it cause they're not loud, they just live. And don't forget about all the quiet readers either.

Edited June 12 by meta_male

[integral]

@Emerald

On 2025-06-10 at 9:44 PM, Emerald said:

"you're a little bitch boy that women will never love" narratives

I agree that the Andrew Tate narrative is limiting, it ignores genuine human connection. Being good at genuine human connection is vital for attraction that a lot of these pick up guys learn to fake. Then long term or even short term they could barely keep any kind of connection with someone going because they're self absorbed in their macho narrative.

The only nuanced that I'm seeing in your perspective is that you're throwing away the real world where the women that we date on average are not mature and are very difficult to deal with and they don't understand how their own attraction system works and if the man doesn't understand how attraction works he will drive her away and she will lose attraction in the relationship.

Most relationships are sexless marriages, I think you're taking for granted that the men that you decided to date happen to have all the masculine traits that keep you attracted to them.

When the man doesn't do proper containment and makes a woman to manage her emotions independently or forces her to take care of his emotions because he's not stable, the woman quickly loses interest and this is where you get sexless marriages.

The kind of masculinity that has to be developed is the healthy kind with genuine human connection.

Edited June 12 by integral

[Schizophonia]

5 hours ago, integral said:

 

The only nuanced that I'm seeing in your perspective is that you're throwing away the real world where the women that we date on average are not mature and are very difficult to deal with

In my maya i only see mature women, everywhere.

 

[LordFall]

@Joshe That’s cool, thanks for sharing. Seems like basically the hero’s journey with some added neurosis and lack of introspection. Apart from that most of the steps make sense to me. Just about accepting yourself and shifting through your ambitions that are trauma based and authentic. 

Becoming a powerful man is still an amazing goal. Power just means being able to influence reality; being at the cause not the effect. That’s a way more fun way to live than being stuck a 9-5 slave and all the other pitfalls that men face today. 

[integral]

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

In my maya i only see mature women, everywhere.

That's like seeing Jesus walk on water everywhere

[Joshe]

2 hours ago, LordFall said:

Seems like basically the hero’s journey with some added neurosis and lack of introspection.

No problem! Yeah, the book talks about there being forks in the road where one can self-correct, but I haven't gotten to the part where it talks about escaping the trap yet. It seems most everyone goes through this sequence to some degree or another. What manifests seems mostly dependent on circumstance. 

 

Edited June 12 by Joshe

[Jacob Morres]

20 hours ago, Emerald said:

It seems like most of the guys on this forum hit a bottle neck with their personal development path because they keep trying to be coca-cola and appeal to the lowest common denominator of attractiveness to women.

It's both imo, you go for the mass appeal (in my perspective (money+looks+game) because most girls like this. 

And then you niche down with your own unique flair and pick the girls that you like 

If you don't got the former you can barely even do the latter 

Edited June 13 by Jacob Morres

[Schizophonia]

18 hours ago, integral said:

That's like seeing Jesus walk on water everywhere

Why do you want to see immaturity? 

[Emerald]

On 6/12/2025 at 8:42 AM, integral said:

@Emerald

I agree that the Andrew Tate narrative is limiting, it ignores genuine human connection. Being good at genuine human connection is vital for attraction that a lot of these pick up guys learn to fake. Then long term or even short term they could barely keep any kind of connection with someone going because they're self absorbed in their macho narrative.

The only nuanced that I'm seeing in your perspective is that you're throwing away the real world where the women that we date on average are not mature and are very difficult to deal with and they don't understand how their own attraction system works and if the man doesn't understand how attraction works he will drive her away and she will lose attraction in the relationship.

Most relationships are sexless marriages, I think you're taking for granted that the men that you decided to date happen to have all the masculine traits that keep you attracted to them.

When the man doesn't do proper containment and makes a woman to manage her emotions independently or forces her to take care of his emotions because he's not stable, the woman quickly loses interest and this is where you get sexless marriages.

The kind of masculinity that has to be developed is the healthy kind with genuine human connection.

First off, the type of mature kind of Masculinity that helps a woman feel secure and stable in your presence can't be learned through all these online propaganda perspectives... and it can't be learned through pick-up either.

The only thing that actually works is to develop yourself into a man of high integrity who knows himself and feels comfortable in his own skin. And men are a lot more likely to learn this if they avoid the Masculinity internet propaganda and low quality perspectives.

You can observe that these perspectives on Masculinity are actively making men worse at embodying mature Masculinity because their mind is so polluted with Masculinity propaganda.

Also, why do you date women who are immature?

Is it a preference?

Or do you just feel a sense of scarcity and are putting up with immaturity because you feel you have no other choice?

[integral]

5 hours ago, Emerald said:

Also, why do you date women who are immature?

Is it a preference?

Or do you just feel a sense of scarcity and are putting up with immaturity because you feel you have no other choice?

What do you consider mature?

Even when healthy, anyone that has not reached Tier 2 is very immature, their psyche is held together by coping mechanisms.

Everyone I dated or met is lost in judgments, lost in fighting the world, lost in disliking something happening in front of them, non of them know how an emotion is created within the body and them projected externally, lost in every story, dislikes a long list of things.

I need to date Tier 1 and I need to heavily adapt 60 to 80% of the time.

So right now I just settled for romantic compatibility, stage green, communication compatibility.

The negative is of course your dating Tier 1 woman that have a crisis once a week and they're projecting their emotions onto you, and every week you must diffuse them. lol

It doesn't matter if they're healthy or not or mature or not, they're not conscious enough to understand they are causing all of their own problems. 

Tier 2 is the basic threshold to becoming mature.

I am not met a Tier 2 woman (irl), it's just not practical for me to have expectations to date them

Edited June 13 by integral

[aurum]

1 hour ago, integral said:

Tier 2 is the basic threshold to becoming mature.

That's not really the case.

You can have maturity at lower stages.