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[Breakingthewall]

33 minutes ago, Raze said:

the difference is western governments are giving israel its arms, meaning they could stop it at any second, hence the protests

That's true and that a democracy is bombing civilians is a big scandal and must be showed. What I said in the other thread is that Palestinian must recognize israel to start a path towards the peace. Since they don't do, there will be war. Now you will say that the zionists are expelling people from the West Bank, and they're criminals. Then the Palestinians are right to vote for Hamas, which advocates for Israel's disappearance. This leads to nothing, only the destruction we're seeing.

[Raze]

13 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

That's true and that a democracy is bombing civilians is a big scandal and must be showed. What I said in the other thread is that Palestinian must recognize israel to start a path towards the peace. Since they don't do, there will be war. Now you will say that the zionists are expelling people from the West Bank, and they're criminals. Then the Palestinians are right to vote for Hamas, which advocates for Israel's disappearance. This leads to nothing, only the destruction we're seeing.

Nope. The PA recognized Israel’s existence and it just lead to expanded settlement growth. Hamas offered a long term ceasefire in exchange for a state on the 67 borders which is de facto recognizing Israel, and it lead nowhere. The Arab states offered full normalization in exchange for a Palestinian state which would leave Israel intact, and it was rejected.

At one point they even threatened to withdraw their recognition of Israel unless Israel would finally recognize their right to exist.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinians-said-set-to-withdraw-recognition-of-israel/

Still didn’t work.

Those are the facts even if it is inconvenient to your narrative. Israel only wants recognition as a means to have a permanent apartheid state. No amount of recognition will be enough for them because their goal is to wipe out Palestinians as a people. 

A moral position would be to support protests of western governments until they pressure israel to recognize Palestine and free the people they are destroying. But you’d rather ignore reality and make up narratives to justify their war crimes for some reason, no matter how many times you are shown otherwise. 

Edited June 9 by Raze

[Breakingthewall]

55 minutes ago, Raze said:

Hamas offered a long term ceasefire in exchange for a state on the 67 borders which is de facto recognizing Israel, and it lead nowhere.

No, it's not a recognition de facto, is ask for concessions in exchange for nothing.

 

57 minutes ago, Raze said:

Those are the facts even if it is inconvenient to your narrative. Israel only wants recognition as a means to have a permanent apartheid state. No amount of recognition will be enough for them because their goal is to wipe out Palestinians as a people. 

My narrative isn't that the Zionists are "good," it's that they've perceived a threat from the Arabs for 100 years. If you want real concessions, the threat must cease completely: Israel must be wiped off the map, as Iran, for example, proclaims. Then we can try to negotiate a Palestinian state, since in the absence of a mortal threat, the Progressive Party can win the elections. Otherwise, people like Netanyahu, who promote more violence because it suits them, will always win. Doing something stupid like 7Oct gives wings to radical Zionists. You think it was a legitimate manifestation of weariness; I think it was a supreme stupidity that led to the destruction of Gaza.

[zazen]

10 hours ago, royce said:

We need A Palestinian Moderator too 

Leo prob gonna get Greta as a mod once she’s out.

 
Western media made her persona non-Greta once she went for the jugular.

Edited June 9 by zazen

[Inliytened1]

11 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

No, it's not a recognition de facto, is ask for concessions in exchange for nothing.

 

My narrative isn't that the Zionists are "good," it's that they've perceived a threat from the Arabs for 100 years. If you want real concessions, the threat must cease completely: Israel must be wiped off the map, as Iran, for example, proclaims. Then we can try to negotiate a Palestinian state, since in the absence of a mortal threat, the Progressive Party can win the elections. Otherwise, people like Netanyahu, who promote more violence because it suits them, will always win. Doing something stupid like 7Oct gives wings to radical Zionists. You think it was a legitimate manifestation of weariness; I think it was a supreme stupidity that led to the destruction of Gaza.

People have been trying to wipe Israel off the map for centuries.   That is the whole problem.. 

[Breakingthewall]

18 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

People have been trying to wipe Israel off the map for centuries.   That is the whole problem.. 

Yes but one thing is to show strength and determination to remain and another is to become supremacists, which is what is happening. You could blame anyone but the fact is that 

[Inliytened1]

13 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes but one thing is to show strength and determination to remain and another is to become supremacists, which is what is happening. You could blame anyone but the fact is that 

Yes i agree but this forum is very one sided as well.  Don't believe that Israel's enemies are any better.

Edited June 9 by Inliytened1

[Nivsch]

45 minutes ago, zazen said:

Leo prob gonna get Greta as a mod once she’s out.

 
Western media made her persona non-Greta once she went for the jugular.

Or maybe because she started to dress like a terrorist and to sound just like the evilness she wants to fight against.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Raze said:

moral position would be to support protests of western governments until they pressure israel to recognize Palestine and free the people they are destroying. But you’d rather ignore reality and make up narratives to justify their war crimes for some reason, no matter how many times you are shown otherwise. 

No, I fully support the western protest against the occupation and the genocide, but also I see the responsibility of the Arabs in the escalating violence due to its intolerance and religious hatred. Israel has come a long way, having to defend itself from all the countries surrounding it until it gained respect and recognition of its existence. If the Palestinians could, they would commit genocide; they aren't because they can't, but all their culture has the basis of hate to Israel. You think it's justified; I think it's stupid because it only leads to destruction.

[Breakingthewall]

18 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Yes i agree but this forum is very one sided as well.  Don't believe that Israel's enemies are any better.

Yes, because supporting Israel has become the symbol of the right, and supporting the Palestinians has become the symbol of the left. Those on the right are fine with killing civilians, committing genocide, or whatever. Since that's their side, how can they be against themselves? It doesn't make sense.

And those on the left justify everything the Palestinians do. Here you can see Raze saying that the fact that the Palestinians committed the Passover massacre just the day before the presentation of an Arab peace plan has no relation to the failure of this plan. The blame lies entirely with the Jews, and the Palestinians are always right, and their massacres are fully justified

[zazen]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

People have been trying to wipe Israel off the map for centuries.   That is the whole problem.. 

Mainly Europeans have been trying to wipe Jews* off the map for centuries. Can’t wipe Israel when it didn’t exist.

If referring to Jews in Middle East - yes , they faced discrimination (not mass elimination) but were largely a protected group rather than a persecuted one with pogroms like in Europe.

Extremist stances today largely stem from occupation and dispossession, not racism and discrimination.

Edited June 9 by zazen

[PurpleTree]

Was just at a free Palestine protest coincidentally a while ago.

I think it’s good that they protest.

But it was as cringe as expected.

The slogans were in English which i find lame because i‘m not from an English speaking country. Just kind of shows me that they cooy and paste from woke ideology from the US

And the slogans were exactly those kind of lame slogans as expected.

Viva viva Palestina (this one is ok)

From the river to the sea Palestine will be free (lame)

And something about we won’t let you die Palestine.

I think it’s good that they protest but i couldn’t stay longer than 5 mins of this cringe slogans etc.

[royce]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

If the Palestinians could, they would commit genocide; they aren't because they can't,

this narrative doesn’t really hold up. It’s being presented like it’s some profound truth, but it lacks depth and nuance. I’d suggest doing some more research 

 

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

What I said in the other thread is that Palestinian must recognize israel to start a path towards the peace

This is so dumb , Please Read More about This Shit 

Edited June 9 by royce

[royce]

12 hours ago, BlessedLion said:

Agreed, almost puked a bit when I saw that 🤮

Yeah, We Have A Zionist Green Moderator Here In Actualized 

And he warned me about making low-quality post 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, royce said:

this narrative doesn’t really hold up. It’s being presented like it’s some profound truth, but it lacks depth and nuance. I’d suggest doing some more research 

 

This is so dumb , Please Read More about This Shit 

What is the solution according to you? If what I said is dumb, what is smart? Carry out attacks, launch rockets? What do they achieve this way?

Btw, what's that of dumb? If you don't agree expose why, don't call dumb the people and say nothing

Edited June 9 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

53 minutes ago, royce said:

this narrative doesn’t really hold up. It’s being presented like it’s some profound truth, but it lacks depth and nuance. I’d suggest doing some more research 

Then , All the anti-Jewish indoctrination in Palestinian schools, what's the direction it's going in?

[Breakingthewall]

The solution is not impossible but extremely difficult. First, Hamas would have to disappear or become marginalized, al fatah or any other get the power. Then, if the Palestinians renounce violence, the Likud could be displaced by progressives and a two-state solution could be initiated. The problem is that it seems impossible to evict the 700,000 settlers, violent far-right fanatics, and Israel cannot allow a united West Bank above Tel Aviv with an army and modern weapons, because war could break out at any moment.

[Leo Gura]

6 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Yes i agree but this forum is very one sided as well.  Don't believe that Israel's enemies are any better.

This forum is not one-sided. You are one-sided and shamelessly so, gaslighting us.

Your attitude on this issue runs counter to the values of our work here.

Gloating about Isreal's ethnic cleansing is not a good look and people here obviously take offense to it.

Edited June 9 by Leo Gura

[Lyubov]

6 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

People have been trying to wipe Israel off the map for centuries.   That is the whole problem.. 

Lmao bro…. LMAOOOOO 🤡 

Israel hasn’t even existed for a single century…… 

[Lyubov]

The fact that Israel is given a pass by so many people for its make believe story about how the land was promised to Jews thousands of years ago by the Bible is criminal.