Trump-Musk Feud

[OBEler]

Cant you see that Elon is an opportunist like trump?

Can't you see that Elon just want to fix his brand image to not be linked to Trump anymore? He thinks globally.

He does all this on a strategic purpose. But people here are too blind.

[Leo Gura]

@OBEler He's a bigger fool than we gave him credit for if he thinks he can win back the left.

This is like dumping your gf, going whoring around for 6 months, then thinking you can have her back and things are normal again. No thanks. Musk revealed his true colors.

The Trump Litmus test got him.

Edited June 8 by Leo Gura

[OBEler]

@Leo Gura @Leo Gura Musk is just repositioning his brand image in a very strategic way like always. That's the game behind the drama.

He doesn't plan to win the left Back. He just wants neutrality.

It's not about love , it's about keeping a normal friendly relationship with your ex girlfriend. 

[Apparition of Jack]

5 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Leo Gura @Leo Gura Musk is just repositioning his brand image in a very strategic way like always. That's the game behind the drama.

He doesn't plan to win the left Back. He just wants neutrality.

It's not about love , it's about keeping a normal friendly relationship with your ex girlfriend. 

No one on the left will accept Musk back after this 

[Leo Gura]

35 minutes ago, OBEler said:

Musk is just repositioning his brand image in a very strategic way like always. That's the game behind the drama.

It's less strategic and more too much posting while high.

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He doesn't plan to win the left Back. He just wants neutrality.

He pissed off both sides. So no one wants him anymore.

In these polarized times, you gotta pick a side. You're either pro-Trump or anti-Trump. There's no middle ground.

Edited June 8 by Leo Gura

[Space]

1 hour ago, OBEler said:

Cant you see that Elon is an opportunist like trump?

Can't you see that Elon just want to fix his brand image to not be linked to Trump anymore? He thinks globally.

He does all this on a strategic purpose. But people here are too blind.

I feel like Musk is just so dead-set on his vision that he'll do anything to make it happen. That's why he can pivot so quickly and abruptly. His capacity to just forcefully bring shit into existence is unmatched, but to the detriment of those around him unfortunately. Even the most powerful person in the world, the President of the USA, will be brushed away to the side if he is deemed an obstacle to Musk's vision.

The distinction between right and left politics is almost irrelevant to him. He just supports whichever party or person is most conducive for realising his vision as quickly as possible.

I think people miss this about Musk. Musk moves and pivots insanely quickly because his only intention is to realise the mission of Tesla and Space X, in my opinion. All of his actions lead back to this. Musk only wants power or political influence so he can realise these visions. 

Edited June 8 by Space

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, Space said:

Musk only wants power or political influence so he can realise these visions. 

It's more complicated than that. His massive ego craves attention and wants power for its own sake.

Getting so deep into right-wing politics was not necessary for Tesla or SpaceX. It actually hurt those companies.

This politics stuff is personal for him. It's not 4D chess. He is behaving like a massive toxic narcissist.

Edited June 8 by Leo Gura

[Vynce]

17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's more complicated than that. His massive ego craves attention and wants power for its own sake.

Getting so deep into right-wing politics was not necessary for Tesla or SpaceX. It actually hurt those companies.

This politics stuff is personal for him. It's not 4D chess. He is behaving like a massive toxic narcissist.

I think Paul Valery once said: "Power without abuse loses its charm." Which couldn't be more obvious for low ego developed rich guys.

But, what is your assessment of Bill Gates?

To me he is a massive green flag. Not attending Trumps Inauguration, while every other billionaire did so. Focusing on value and productive good. No attention fuckery ever. Which is a graceful thing to do if you deal with billions.

[MuadDib]

On 6/8/2025 at 5:41 PM, Leo Gura said:

@OBEler He's a bigger fool than we gave him credit for if he thinks he can win back the left.

This is like dumping your gf, going whoring around for 6 months, then thinking you can have her back and things are normal again. No thanks. Musk revealed his true colors.

The Trump Litmus test got him.

Not even if he sat down with a therapist and opened up about his childhood with his father? I'm sure he could elicit a great deal of empathy.

Btw, you're conflating political parties with women. If your analogy were true, then I'd say ... they need a real man to lead them.

Edited June 10 by MuadDib

[OBEler]

47 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's more complicated than that. His massive ego craves attention and wants power for its own sake.

Getting so deep into right-wing politics was not necessary for Tesla or SpaceX. It actually hurt those companies.

This politics stuff is personal for him. It's not 4D chess. He is behaving like a massive toxic narcissist.

What if he behaves like a narcissist because that's trump style and he needed to be on that wave to be around him. He was more humbled back then. He adapted to Trump for his goals and now he reached it and moves on. Exactly like Zuckerberg.

 

[Apparition of Jack]

26 minutes ago, OBEler said:

What if he behaves like a narcissist because that's trump style and he needed to be on that wave to be around him. He was more humbled back then. He adapted to Trump for his goals and now he reached it and moves on. Exactly like Zuckerberg.

 

Have you ever considered that Musk is an impulsive idiot?

Stop idiolising these cretins. They’re not 4D chess masterminds. They’re impulsive, immature assholes who just know how to manipulate people to get power.

Don’t read into it too much.

[PurpleTree]

31 minutes ago, OBEler said:

What if he behaves like a narcissist because that's trump style and he needed to be on that wave to be around him. He was more humbled back then. He adapted to Trump for his goals and now he reached it and moves on. Exactly like Zuckerberg.

 

What was his goal? To tank Tesla and turn it into a swasticar? To get access to the Epstein files? To become a Ketamine addict? To Roman salute (Nazi) on national tv? To start this stuff with the south african president? To get JD pants in there and make him the next president? 

[Leo Gura]

This is a good lesson for you guys in how power corrupts.

Textbook case of power corrupts.

[OBEler]

20 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

Have you ever considered that Musk is an impulsive idiot?

Stop idiolising these cretins. They’re not 4D chess masterminds. They’re impulsive, immature assholes who just know how to manipulate people to get power.

Don’t read into it too much.

I have considered that and if he is not a mastermind and just an impulsive autistic narcissist then he is absolutely crazy.

Let's see who benefits from this break between these two guys. If I am right, Elon musk should benefit in the end because he constructed this drama.

[BlueOak]

Here is an almost mainstream UK take.

[PurpleTree]

1 hour ago, OBEler said:

He adapted to Trump for his goals and now he reached it and moves on.

 

What was his goal @OBEler

[Leo Gura]

Good prediction that Musk will further radicalize rather than moderate:

 

[Rafael Thundercat]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

This is a good lesson for you guys in how power corrupts.

Textbook case of power corrupts.

Yes, as far as one can read this is 100% the case. We are having a free online course on corruption, no need to study Roman empire. We have empire building and colapse crash course now.

[r0ckyreed]

Do you think that it could be the case that Trump and Musk want us to think they have broken up as part of an elaborate scheme? Maybe this is just a ruse to keep up distracted.

Edited June 8 by r0ckyreed

[PurpleTree]

14 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

Do you think that it could be the case that Trump and Musk want us to think they have broken up as part of an elaborate scheme? Maybe this is just a ruse to keep up distracted.

I mean anythings possible, i sometimes think of this saying. Out of Chaos comes Order.

gpt:

 

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1. Literal Latin Roots

 

 

“Ordo ab chao” translates directly to “Order from Chaos.”

It’s not a classical Latin phrase from ancient Rome — it appears more in modern Latin usage, particularly from the 18th century onward, especially in philosophical and esoteric circles.

 

 

 

 

 

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2. Masonic Origins

 

 

The phrase is most famously associated with Freemasonry, particularly the Scottish Rite, 33rd degree.

The Supreme Council of the Scottish Rite (especially in the Southern Jurisdiction of the U.S.) uses “Ordo ab Chao” as its official motto.

This first appeared formally in 1801, when the Supreme Council was founded in Charleston, South Carolina.

In the Masonic sense, it symbolizes the transformation of chaos (ignorance, tyranny, oppression) into moral, spiritual, and societal order through wisdom, discipline, and enlightenment.

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3. Philosophical and Political Parallels

The idea parallels Hegelian dialectics:

Thesis → Antithesis → Synthesis

In this view, chaos (conflict or contradiction) is a necessary phase before establishing a new order (resolution or synthesis).

 

Some revolutionary and political thinkers have also echoed this idea:

Machiavelli, Rousseau, revolutionary leaders — though not using the Latin phrase — embraced similar ideas about rebirth through upheaval.

 

etc

Edited June 8 by PurpleTree